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Who's the greatest German composer ever?

Karlheinz Stockhausen
HK Gruber
Joseph Haydn
Nena
Johann Strauss II
Meyerbeer
Peter Tchaikovsky
Carl Orff

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Offline Soundproof

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2007, 02:17:58 PM »
Why Till?

Reference to Till Eulenspiegel - given to tricks ...

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2007, 02:25:55 PM »
That's not such a good idea because that's not really the kind of prank Till E. played. It also sounds too forcedly "educated".

BTW - "Toll. Es war blödsinnig eine von Tills Wanderkarten zu vertrauen."

Better: Na toll.
Or: Klasse.

But nothing beats: Scheisse.

"Es war blödsinnig, einer von Tills Wanderkarten zu vertrauen"

sounds way too artificial and wooden, too. Especially "blödsinnig" and "vertrauen". Too formal in this context.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2007, 02:26:14 PM »
If you want to discover a good German composer who is still very little known, check out Hartmann.

Karl Amadeus?

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2007, 02:27:52 PM »
It pleases me that Nena is tied for first place. 99 Luftballons is a classic if anything is, and Nena is the cutest composer on the list too which earrns her extra points.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2007, 02:33:10 PM »
That's not such a good idea because that's not really the kind of prank Till E. played. It also sounds too forcedly "educated".

Better: Na toll.
Or: Klasse.

But nothing beats: Scheisse.

"Es war blödsinnig, einer von Tills Wanderkarten zu vertrauen"

sounds way too artificial and wooden, too. Especially "blödsinnig" and "vertrauen". Too formal in this context.

There you go. Intellectual jokes usually buzz straight over the heads of the audience.

Na toll is better.

So, which of Hartmann's works should I commence with?

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2007, 02:36:34 PM »
It pleases me that Nena is tied for first place.

Now in 1st place ........

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2007, 02:37:05 PM »
I'll follow up on that. Have none of his music in my collection ...


Maybe for a starter try his Concerto funebre! Vladimir Spivakov is good with his Moscow Virtuosi on RCA.  :)

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2007, 02:58:22 PM »
One more thing: who is NENA?

German pop singer (and also the name of her band). Had a worldwide hit in 1984 with 99 Luftballons.



Sarge
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"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2007, 02:58:59 PM »
German pop singer (and also the name of her band). Had a worldwide hit in 1984 with 99 Luftballons.



Sarge

WOOF!

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2007, 03:56:39 PM »
The Greatest German Composer is: Mathias Spahlinger, of course!!


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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2007, 05:00:03 PM »
I'm pretty sure (i.e., positive) that Richard Wagner was born in Leipzig. Saxony, I think, was pretty much independent until the Congress of Vienna, when Prussia got a chunk of land in a weird settlement resulting from Napoleon's war with Friedrich Wilhelm III.

German composers, though, are too diverse to attempt to put a "best" on them. Of the choices: Nena. She's up there with Falco in my book. Karlheinz Stockhausen never had such a radio-friendly hit, though I frequently hear parts from Boulez' Marteau whistled by schoolchildren. And what college party wouldn't be complete without a drunken Pli selon pli scream-along?

Nena makes me wish I'd taken German in high school, instead of four years of Latin. And then two (technically, three) semesters in college.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2007, 05:44:41 PM »
There you go. Intellectual jokes usually buzz straight over the heads of the audience.

Na toll is better.

So, which of Hartmann's works should I commence with?
Three options stand out for me: the Concerto funebre (several recordings are available, my favourite is probably Gertler and Ancerl), the 2nd symphony (my own introduction to the composer) or the blockbuster 6th (Fricsay's recording with the RIAS Berlin orchestra is both cheap and IMO seriously awesome, though other posters here prefer Leitner).

Anyone heard the new Naxos recording of the Piano Sonata 27 April 1945? I hope it doesn't stink. ;)
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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2007, 07:23:57 PM »
After careful deliberation, I choose Alfred Schnittke.
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2007, 10:18:37 PM »
After careful deliberation, I choose Alfred Schnittke.

With Haydn a la Moz-Art, you could be said to be covering your bases with that choice.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2007, 10:58:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure (i.e., positive) that Richard Wagner was born in Leipzig. Saxony, I think, was pretty much independent until the Congress of Vienna, when Prussia got a chunk of land in a weird settlement resulting from Napoleon's war with Friedrich Wilhelm III.

I wouldn't say "independent" since Sachsen (Saxony) was in principle not any more or less independent than any other German state in the constantly changing political configuration of the German states. Although Preussen (Prussia) took indeed a large bite out of Sachsen at the Congress of Vienna and later became the German state under whose leadership the "2nd Empire" was created, Preussen isn't necessarily to be equated with "Germany", so another state's relationship with Preussen can not really be described as "independent" or not - at least until 1870/71, when many of the German states saw themselves as pretty much "dependent" on Preussen. But even then Preussen was more a leader among a number of diverse German states than "Germany itself". The local monarchs stayed in place even though they didn't have that much more to say anymore, the only exception was Bayern (Bavaria) which wasn't at all "independent" either, but they had a special status, for instance, they kept their own army (which was the army that Hitler joined in 1914).
But I think Leipzig stayed part of Sachsen even after the Congress of Vienna anyway.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2007, 11:16:18 PM »
I vote Wagner;D

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2007, 01:27:32 AM »
I have just ordered the Hartmann 6th....a voyage awaits.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2007, 02:08:18 AM »
After careful deliberation, I opt for Glinka .........

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2007, 02:33:33 AM »
Karl Amadeus?

Yes, Karl Amadeus. There is also a composer named Erich Hartmann who happens to have been my first bass teacher, longtime member of the BP bass section and also an accomplished composer who wrote some nice pieces for bass, but I think K.A.Hartmann might be more interesting for most people here in this context.

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Re: Who's the greatest German composer ever?
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2007, 04:42:12 AM »
I have just ordered the Hartmann 6th....a voyage awaits.

Mike
Let us know what you think: this is one of the pieces of music I'm tempted to get evangelical over. ;)
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