The Mystical Secret of Rhythm

[snyprrr]

A half note at 100 equals a dotted quarter note at 80.


Or,

something like that!

It's easy to see how music gets pulled out of shape.

[Reverend Bong]

To change the subject, I've never heard of Aperghis before, I see he's one of your favourites.  Can you recommend something to start listening to?  I have a very limited experience of Xenakis, which I enjoyed.

[Karl Henning]

A half note at 100 equals a dotted quarter note at 80.

Don't tell me: a graduate of the Paul Ryan School of Mathematics ....

[Mirror Image]

Don't tell me: a graduate of the Paul Ryan School of Mathematics ....

[DavidRoss]

Don't tell me: a graduate of the Paul Ryan School of Mathematics ....

You mean unlike the mainstream (i.e. partisan Democrat) press corps and virtually the entire Democratic party (plus a substantial number of Republicans), he can actually add, subtract, multiply, and divide ... and he understands the fundamental principle of TAANSTAFL?

[DavidW]

A half note at 100 equals a dotted quarter note at 80.


Or,

something like that!

It's easy to see how music gets pulled out of shape.

I like how the thread derails immediately after this post.  So for people paying attention, what is a half note at 100?  100 what?  How are those two things equal.  Please someone explain to the likes of me, and please no more politics.

[Opus106]

100 ticks and tocks of a metronmic clock.

To be serious for a moment, I think he-whose-name-is-rarely-spelt-correctly was referring to stuff like this.

[mahler10th]

100 ticks and tocks of a metronmic clock.

What is the speed of the metronome clock though?  It might tick tock faster than expected.   

[Karl Henning]

I like how the thread derails immediately after this post.  So for people paying attention, what is a half note at 100?  100 what?  How are those two things equal.  Please someone explain to the likes of me, and please no more politics.

If there are 100 half-notes per minute, there will be 200 quarter-notes per minute.

A dot adds half the rhythmic value of the note it modifies, so a dotted quarter-note equals three eighth-notes, i.e. three-quarters of the duration of a half note.

If I have done the math aright (and I may not have), there would be 133 ⅓ dotted quarter-notes per minute.

[Rinaldo]

What is the speed of the metronome clock though?  It might tick tock faster than expected.   

Oh, don't go there. I was part of a volunteer crowd setting up a performance of Ligeti's Poème symphonique and measuring all those borrowed little devils was.. well, let's say, time consuming!

[Karl Henning]

Oh, don't go there. I was part of a volunteer crowd setting up a performance of Ligeti's Poème symphonique and measuring all those borrowed little devils was.. well, let's say, time consuming!

Cor, I'll bet it was!

[Opus106]

Speaking of metronomes -- and let's speak about metronomes until someone wants to take up the topic of mystics further...

http://www.youtube.com/v/kqFc4wriBvE

[Karl Henning]

Speaking of metronomes -- and let's speak about metronomes until someone wants to take up the topic of mystics further...

I'm mystified how snypsss figured there are fewer dotted quarter-notes than half-notes to the minute . . . let alone how he settled on that numerical ratio.

[mahler10th]

Speaking of metronomes -- and let's speak about metronomes until someone wants to take up the topic of mystics further...

http://www.youtube.com/v/kqFc4wriBvE

There are sub-atomic differences.  I can hear them.   

[Opus106]

I'm mystified how snypsss figured there are fewer dotted quarter-notes than half-notes to the minute . . . let alone how he settled on that numerical ratio.

That, of course, is the mystical secret.

There are sub-atomic differences.  I can hear them.   

I think that's your ear drums being out of sync.

[Scarpia]

If there are 100 half-notes per minute, there will be 200 quarter-notes per minute.

A dot adds half the rhythmic value of the note it modifies, so a dotted quarter-note equals three eighth-notes, i.e. three-quarters of the duration of a half note.

If I have done the math aright (and I may not have), there would be 133 ⅓ dotted quarter-notes per minute.

To be formal, it can be done as a standard unit-conversion problem, you keep multiplying by different forms of unity

(100 half-note/minute) (2 quartet-note/1 half-note) (1 dotted-quarter-note/1.5 quarter-note) = 133.3...dotted-quarter-note/minute  Karl is correct.

[Karl Henning]

To be formal, it can be done as a standard unit-conversion problem, you keep multiplying by different forms of unity

Your point is well taken;  just thought I'd detail some of the music notation applications.

[Scarpia]

Your point is well taken;  just thought I'd detail some of the music notation applications.

Quite so.  My formula is the explicit mathematical expression of the information you listed.

[Gurn Blanston]

Can it be that we are actually talking about how all those little ties and slurs and rests etc make the rhythm happen? The little syncopation's and such. Or like DavidW was mentioning the other night about a quartet where each instrument was playing in a different time signature, and yet they blended in a perfectly... mystical rhythm? I wonder if that is what that rascally Snypper is alluding to, instead of straightforward math. Hmmm?

[Karl Henning]

Can it be that we are actually talking about how all those little ties and slurs and rests etc make the rhythm happen? The little syncopation's and such. Or like DavidW was mentioning the other night about a quartet where each instrument was playing in a different time signature, and yet they blended in a perfectly... mystical rhythm? I wonder if that is what that rascally Snypper is alluding to, instead of straightforward math. Hmmm?

Whoa, Gurn . . . before anyone tries to climb into snypsss' head, oughtn't there to be a medical man to counsel us as to the risks versus the benefits? ; )