GMG Wishlist: OOP or rare recordings you want reissued

[M forever]

What do you expect? Do you think the AAM can just go and tell Decca "hey, release our old recordings again, and BTW, we want you to finance us completing the cycle?" And Decca will just say "right away, your wish is our command"? Huh?

[Maciek]

Oh, another one I forgot. This LP (I have it but I want it on CD! ):



Zimerman's 1977 sonatas recital (Beethoven, Prokofiev, Bacewicz). The Bacewicz was later included on a now oop Olympia disc.

[sidoze]

whats the prokofiev?

[Maciek]

Sorry. Absent-minded, I guess (I was meaning to list them):

Beethoven Sonata in C Minor op. 13 (Pathétique)
Prokofiev Sonata No. 3 op. 28
Bacewicz Sonata No. 2

[rubio]

I would love to hear the Tchaikovsky Piano Trio by Kogan, Gilels and Rostropovich (live, Arlecchino). But I guess that one is pretty, pretty OOP...Any other performances close to it in quality?

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I'd like to see everything by (pianist) Youri Egorov come back in print and STAY in print...

[Tancata]

I wouldn't mind Joshua Rifkin's Bach - H-moll Messe.

[Harry Collier]

I would love to hear the Tchaikovsky Piano Trio by Kogan, Gilels and Rostropovich (live, Arlecchino). But I guess that one is pretty, pretty OOP...Any other performances close to it in quality?

I suspect that now Rostropovich has gone, and his feud with Kogan can be buried, someone might be able to re-issue this -- although being a 1952 recording, it is now well out of copyright. A good alternative, if it's still around, is the 1997 recording by Vadim Repin, Daniel Yablonsky and Boris Berezovsky (coupled with an excellent Shostakovich second piano trio).

[Maciek]

I suspect that now Rostropovich has gone, and his feud with Kogan can be buried, someone might be able to re-issue this -- although being a 1952 recording, it is now well out of copyright.

A question - I have no idea how copyright for recordings works, and would like to finally learn this: when does a recording go out of copyright? (I know that in the case of books only the copyright owner's death date counts.)

[Que]

A question - I have no idea how copyright for recordings works, and would like to finally learn this: when does a recording go out of copyright? (I know that in the case of books only the copyright owner's death date counts.)

The example you give is of an author's intellecual property right - 70 years after the author's death in the EU.
Rights to a recording/performance are called "related" or "neighbouring" rights - 50 years after the recording was made in the EU.
Sometimes longer in the US - the reason why, for instance, many Naxos Historical issues are not available in the US!

Q

[Maciek]

The example you give is of an author's intellecual property right. Rights to a recording/performance are called "related" or "neighbouring" rights.

Funny how a performer is not considered the author of the recording...

So, if I understand this correctly - the recording is out of copyright 50 years after recording IF the composer has been dead for at least 70 years (or less, depending on country)? Which means that if today I record a piano improvisation, I will lose my "neighboring" rights (for the performance) in 50 years but I'll get to keep my "author's" rights as long as I live (which might be less but could also be more), and my heirs will be able to profit for another 70? Copyright law is amusing.

[71 dB]

Copyright laws do not make much sense. They are more about greed than justice. The time limits are too long. I read the first copyright law in UK (late 17th century?) was something like this:

Copyright is granted for 14 years and if after this period the author is still alive the copyright is extended by another 14 years. Now, this makes sense! The author had 28 years time to earn copyright fees and in less than 30 years the copyrighted material was free to be used by others (beneficial for the society).

[Harry Collier]

Funny how a performer is not considered the author of the recording...

So, if I understand this correctly - the recording is out of copyright 50 years after recording IF the composer has been dead for at least 70 years (or less, depending on country)? Which means that if today I record a piano improvisation, I will lose my "neighboring" rights (for the performance) in 50 years but I'll get to keep my "author's" rights as long as I live (which might be less but could also be more), and my heirs will be able to profit for another 70? Copyright law is amusing.

Not quite. There is a difference between performing, and creating. If you create a piece of music, the copyright lasts for 70 years -- ie, if others perform your piece of music, they have to pay you a royalty. But the copyright on your performance only lasts for 50 years. Which, in my view, is quite long enough; most recordings are recreations where after 50 years the composers are usually dead .. and the principal performers as well. In any case, the performers have all had 50 years of royalties.

[Maciek]

Not quite what? Did you get the impression I thought composing was the same as performing? Or that a performer's right should extend to as long as a composer's? I never said either of these things. I merely questioned the rather funny (IMO) use of the legal term "authorship".

[Harry Collier]

Not quite what? Did you get the impression I thought composing was the same as performing?

"Not quite" true. You suggested that "the recording is out of copyright 50 years after recording IF the composer has been dead for at least 70 years". Composer being alive, half-alive or quite dead doesn't come into it. A recording is out of copyright after 50 years, even if the composer is still prancing around. That is all.

[Maciek]

OK, I get it. I missed your point. You mean the performance part of the recording, and I meant the recording as a whole...

Or am I wrong again here? Could it be possible that a recording of a piece by a composer still alive lands in the public domain without the composer "donating" it?! Whew, I find this copyright stuff exasperating... I'm not sure if I even want to know the answers to these questions anymore. Copyright issues in my field (books, translations) are complicated enough.

[gomro]

Two RCA Red Seal releases I'd really like to have on CD:

Carlos Chavez's Piano Concerto, with Maria Teresa Rodriguez as pianist and Mata conducting.

Luciano Berio's Two-Piano Concerto, Canino/Ballista, pianists, Berio conducting.

I played these to death on LP, and would be first in line to grab a CD release.

[mjwal]

I would love to hear the Tchaikovsky Piano Trio by Kogan, Gilels and Rostropovich (live, Arlecchino). But I guess that one is pretty, pretty OOP...Any other performances close to it in quality?

I have two performances, one being the old 1936 Menuhin (+ Hepzibah & Eisenberg) on a very cheap Past Perfect 2-CD with Szymanowski & Enesco, which I find very moving in an old-style way, and the recording that turned me on to this superb masterpiece, the Oleg Kagan edition XXII (on Live Classics), with Richter & Gutman - breathtaking music-making. I'd love to hear the performance you mention, too...

[RebLem]

Someone's talking about CSO records got me to thinking about things that have never been issued on CD or LP, but which I have heard as radio broadcast tapes, which I would like to see released.

One is an absolutely incredible performance--the best I have ever heard--by the CSO of the Beethoven Emperor Concerto cond by Andre Previn with Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli.  Believe it or not, Martinon taped about 30 or so Bach Cantatas in his brief tenure as MD which deserve to be released.

Then there is a wonderful Schubert Symphony cycle by the Cleveland Orch conducted by Pierre Boulez, of all people.

I also heard a magnificent Beethoven Symphony cycle with the Boston Sym conducted by Ferdinand Leitner which deserves to be released, from the 1980's, I believe.

OK, moving on to reissues.  First, a few things that were on LP, but as far as I know have never been released on CD.

A Melodiya issue of the Haydn Trumpet Concerto cond by Rudolf Barshai with trumpeter Timofey Dokschitzer.

The Bartok Violin Concerto 2 with Perlman/Previn/LSO.

The Dorati set of the Beethoven Symphonies with the Royal Phil.

OK, now for a few OOP CDs--

The Caprice label's 3 CD set of the 6 Stenhammar String Quartets.  I have them, but everyone deserves to have them available.

The complete cycle of the Beethoven Symphonies under Mengelberg from 1940 from a reputable label.  It is available as a pirate issue from the disreputable Archipel label.

[Maciek]

Speaking of Melodiya, the first ever complete recording of Moniuszko's Halka was done at the Bolshoi - conducted by Kondrashin (recorded 1952, though the production was from 1949). This was issued by Melodiya on 3 LPs in 1954, and never reissued in any form. I would really, really, really love to see that put on CD!!!