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Florestan

Quote from: greg on March 02, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
Ok so this test must be bogus then.  ;D

Of course it is. Think about it: on what scientific and logic basis would someone who prefers Tchaikovsky to Chopin be more intelligent than someone who prefers Chopin to Tchaikovsky? Or someone who can identify a theorbo because of a niche interest in music than someone who can't because not interested in that type of music?
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

greg

Quote from: Florestan on March 02, 2020, 10:00:17 AM
Of course it is. Think about it: on what scientific and logic basis would someone who prefers Tchaikovsky to Chopin be more intelligent than someone who prefers Chopin to Tchaikovsky? Or someone who can identify a theorbo because of a niche interest in music than someone who can't because not interested in that type of music?
There is none... That's why I was wondering how it could have been so close to me lol.

Probably studying music helped my score, but... was that thing a baroque cello? I was thinking cello at first but then noticed it wasn't exactly. Is there a such thing as baroque cello? Knew it couldn't be viola da gamba cause violas don't need a stand...
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JBS

Quote from: Florestan on March 02, 2020, 10:00:17 AM
Of course it is. Think about it: on what scientific and logic basis would someone who prefers Tchaikovsky to Chopin be more intelligent than someone who prefers Chopin to Tchaikovsky? Or someone who can identify a theorbo because of a niche interest in music than someone who can't because not interested in that type of music?

I took it as trying to indicate tendencies to intellectualize versus emotionalize.

Quote from: greg on March 02, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
:o
Ok so this test must be bogus then.  ;D

Is it normal to fall over adulthood? You didn't smoke pot for years, did you?

If it is normal, now wishing I knew my score as a kid because since we are about the same score today then maybe it was that high before? (side note: I'm not a pot smoker but it supposedly can reduce your score a little over time though I'm a bit skeptical of how they did the study on this).

Sooo i wonder if the racing thoughts while trying to fall asleep is truly caused by biological clock or just an overpowered brain? There's so many downsides to this... and causes issues. Last week was pretty bad due to my inability to wake up early.

What is your natural bedtime/wake time?

I think it's normal to find that IQ scores have little relationship to success in life, for almost any definition of "success in life".

Wake up time between 7 and 8 AM, bedtime just before midnight.
Street noises, working an evening shift, and shifting sunrise times have an impact on those times.

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greg

Quote from: JBS on March 02, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Wake up time between 7 and 8 AM, bedtime just before midnight.
Assuming this is without an alarm clock...

not a night owl then. Must be nice to be on the same page as most people.

There was supposed to be some correlation between this and IQ but probably just a general weak correlation or maybe there just isn't...

But yeah you're right that other factors can play a bigger role... like biological clock.

Would be nice to not get waves of energy at night and finally start to feel sleepy after 1 AM. Would be nicer though if standard work hours were much later.
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Florestan

Quote from: JBS on March 02, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
I took it as trying to indicate tendencies to intellectualize versus emotionalize.

And yet choosing Handel over Bach increased my score. :D

And neither Chopin nor Tchaikovsky are particularly intellectual to my ears. They're both as emotional as it gets and they're both among my favorites and it's all as it should be: I have little use, if at all, for intellectual(ized) music.

Quote from: greg on March 02, 2020, 10:11:58 AM
was that thing a baroque cello? I was thinking cello at first but then noticed it wasn't exactly. Is there a such thing as baroque cello? Knew it couldn't be viola da gamba cause violas don't need a stand...

I was torn between viola da gamba and viola da spalla but in the end I chose the former: the number of strings matched and the size was a bit too large for the latter, though I'm not sure I was right.

Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

ritter

I got 119 as well...but suppose if there had been an option not to have to choose between Chopin and Tchaikovsky, my score would have gone through the roof  :D

But, most unfortunately, that alleged IQ of 119 was not enough for me to find that other quiz (the one about one's age) you guys are talking about....  ::)

Florestan

Quote from: ritter on March 02, 2020, 01:00:01 PM
I got 119 as well...but suppose if there had been an option not to have to choose between Chopin and Tchaikovsky, my score would have gone through the roof  :D

The option was between Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Clara Schumann and Puccini, so you could have eschewed both of them, actually.  ;D

I chose Tchaikovsky over Chopin for the same reason I choose Mozart over Schubert. I'm absolutely sure you can guess it alright.

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But, most unfortunately, that alleged IQ if 119 was not enough for me to find that other quiz (the one about one's age) you guys are talking about....  ::)

https://www.classicfm.com/lifestyle/quizzes/when-you-were-born-music-tastes/
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

ritter

Quote from: Florestan on March 02, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
The option was between Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Clara Schumann and Puccini, so you could have eschewed both of them, actually.  ;D

I chose Tchaikovsky over Chopin for the same reason I choose Mozart over Schubert. I'm absolutely sure you can guess it alright.
Then it seems that an IQ of 119 is compatible with a really short memory span.  ;D I had chosen Puccini... :-[

Quotehttps://www.classicfm.com/lifestyle/quizzes/when-you-were-born-music-tastes/
Thanks... :)

EDIT: Took the "age guesser", and it yielded 1962 (just off by one year....quite amazing).  ;D

Jo498

I also got 119, never took an IQ test but I'd expect to be in the 120s (i.e. between 1 and 2 standard deviations above average) because of some proxies, so that's close enoough. But the test is very silly, obviously. This starts with the very first question because an intelligent person would usually prefer silence for focussed work, not background music.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

greg

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greg

Personal observation: the more a guy is "smiley" the more likely he is to be gay. Likewise, the less so, the less likely.

There are plenty of exceptions to this, of course. But seems to be a rule of thumb.

And today this observation was proven by one extra person. Apparently my gaydar really does work sometimes.

(actually the opposite scenario reminds me of when this one old lady at church used to sarcastically refer to me as "smiley" due to not being so friendly... ugh lol)  :P 

but what does this imply here... regular dudes are hardwired to be miserable?  :-X :-\

edit: by "smiley" i mean there's different types of it...
like if anyone watches Mark Wiens, that is someone who just never stops smiling, yet you never get secretly gay vibes from him, just someone who is always excited about something (all of the food, of course). But other people... you just know... how to break it down... they look at everyone like they are a cute puppy or something. Very high on the agreeableness personality trait, so really easy to treat them as a friend.
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Florestan

Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

drogulus


     I tried to do "low IQ". For every question I gave what I thought was the wrong answer. It came out at 125. The test is rigged so it won't let me be a moron.
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greg

Another one of those silly online guizzes I'm sharing. It's Tony Robbins, as much as that stuff is dumb garbage, the results are interesting. And I'm wondering- is it just two types of results?

Can someone else take it and let me know? It's only a few questions...

https://core.tonyrobbins.com/gender-quotient-4/


Mine:
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YOUR LEADING ENERGY IS

MASCULINE

SHARE YOUR RESULTS
SHARE YOUR RESULTS
Regardless of gender, we all contain both masculine and feminine energy. Your leading energy reflects your inner nature and values. Because of this, there are women who have masculine leading energy just as there are men who have feminine leading energy. Understanding your leading energy, or core energy, is necessary to align yourself – or else you will be unhappy no matter how much you succeed.


THE MASCULINE ENERGY
The masculine energy focuses on one task or issue at a time. While the feminine is taking in everything at once, the masculine directs is able to let go of everything and direct all attention towards a singular focus. It's about total concentration. When the masculine energy sees or encounters a problem, the sole goal is to find a solution. The masculine energy is analytical, impatient, assertive and logical. While the feminine is about being, the masculine is about doing. And it is about moving with a purpose, and taking action. The masculine energy wants to hunt, pursue and chase. The masculine energy wants to be needed.

IN A RELATIONSHIP
What makes a relationship work is having things in common. But what makes a relationship passionate is having things that are different – not different values, but different energies. This is what creates sparks in the relationship. This is where the electricity comes from. So if you are masculine in your core, then you will find commonality with another masculine energy, but you will find passion with feminine energy. When most people are stressed or tired, they put on the mask of the opposite energy. Most men, for example, who are masculine at their core, will put on a feminine mask. It is a protection mechanism. But the moment this happens, there is no possibility for romance. And to make matters worse, if you are with a feminine energy, it will only make matters worse, causing friction and disconnection.

WHAT TO WATCH OUT FOR
There are three triggers that will cause a masculine energy to adopt a feminine mask: feeling criticized, feeling controlled or feeling closed off to. Criticism is like kryptonite to a masculine energy. Rather, masculine energy feeds and thrives off of appreciation. They need to be admired and praised. The masculine energy also shutters at the very thought of being controlled. If a man who is masculine at his core feels controlled, he will hate himself and then his partner will hate him and become fearful of him. The masculine energy does not like to feel closed off to. A man with a masculine core, for example, wants the presence of a feminine energy. It is starving for it. But when that is taken away, the masculine energy is replaced with a feminine energy. And in turn, the woman will not feel protected or safe.




Thread relevant, the "feminine mask" thing might be quite an interesting insight.
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Florestan

(About a teenager who died at 17 of consumption)

If his life ended too early and did not assume the form of a Beethoven symphony because he had not endured much suffering or many harsh experiences or gone through wild phases, it could still be considered a small Haydn chamber concerto, and you cannot say such a thing about many people's lives. --- Hermann Hesse, The Beautiful Dream



Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Wakefield

QuoteThings
by Jorge Luis Borges (Translated, from the Spanish, by Stephen Kessler)

My cane, my pocket change, this ring of keys,
The obedient lock, the belated notes
The few days left to me will not find time
To read, the deck of cards, the tabletop,
A book, and crushed in its pages the withered
Violet, monument to an afternoon
Undoubtedly unforgettable, now forgotten,
The mirror in the west where a red sunrise
Blazes its illusion. How many things,
Files, doorsills, atlases, wine glasses, nails,
Serve us like slaves who never say a word,
Blind and so mysteriously reserved.
They will endure beyond our vanishing;
And they will never know that we have gone.

Today, I recalled this poem after reading a review on Amazon. It was a nice review of "The Brandenburgs" played by the Boston Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Charles Munch (RCA Living Stereo). Written on January 18 (day of my birthday, coincidentally), in 2004, by a person who defined himself as a "retired."

I searched for other reviews by him, being the last one written in December 2018. Is he still alive?

We – all of us – are writing messages in a bottle. :)
"One of the greatest misfortunes of honest people is that they are cowards. They complain, keep quiet, dine and forget."
-- Voltaire

vandermolen

'There is praise and blame, loss and gain, pleasure and pain, fame and disrepute - did you think this would not happen to you?'

(Buddhist tradition)

I love that quotation.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

Society can be considered in two different points of view, the Catholic and the pantheistical. Considered in the Catholic point of view, it is nothing but the reunion of a multitude of men, who all live under the rule and protection of the same laws, and of the same institutions. Considered in the pantheistical point of view, it is an organism which exists with an individual, concrete, and necessary existence. In the first supposition, it is clear that, as society does not exist independently of the individuals who constitute it, there can be nothing in the society which is not previously in the individuals; whence it follows, by necessary consequence, that the evil and the good which are in it, come to it from man. Considered from this point of view, it is absurd to endeavour to extirpate the evil from the society in which it exists by incidence only, without touching the individuals in whom it was originally and essentially. In the second supposition, according to which, society is a being which exists of itself with a concrete, individual, and necessary existence, those who admit it are obliged to solve in a satisfactory way, the very questions which, with respect to man, the rationalists propose to Catholics, viz., whether is society essentially or accidentally evil? If the former, what way, in what circumstances, and on what occasion, has the social harmony been disturbed with that mischievous incidence? We have seen how Catholics untie all these knots, in what way they solve all these difficulties, and in what manner they answer all these questions relative to the existence of evil, considered as a consequence of the human prevarication. What we have not yet seen, and what we shall never see, is the manner and the force of the Socialistic solutions of those same difficulties relative to the existence of evil, considered as existing solely in social institutions.

This  sole  consideration  would  authorise  me  in  saying  that  the  Socialistic  theory  is  a  theory  of mountebanks, and that Socialism is nothing but the social reason of a company of buffoons. To be as sober as I purposed, I will end this argumentation by placing Socialism in this dilemma: The evil which is in society is an essence or an accident. If it be an essence, to extirpate it, it is not enough to upset social institutions; it is necessary besides to destroy society itself, which is the essence that sustains all forms. If the evil be accidental, then you are obliged to do what you have not done, what you do not do, what you cannot do: you are obliged to explain to me at what time, by what cause, in what way, and in what form, that accident has supervened, and then, by what series of deductions you come to constitute man the redeemer of society, giving him power to cleanse its stains and to wash away its sins. It will be useful to warn the incautious here, that rationalism, which furiously attacks all the Catholic mysteries, afterwards proclaims, in another way, and for another purpose, those very mysteries. Catholicism affirms two things—the evil and the redemption; rationalistic Socialism comprehends in the symbol of its faith, the same affirmations. Between Socialists and Catholics there is no more than this difference— the latter affirm the evil of man, and the redemption on the part of God; the former affirm the evil of society, and the redemption on the part of man. The Catholic, with his two affirmations, does nothing but affirm two simple and natural things—that man is man, and executes human works, that God is God, and executes things divine. Socialism, with its two affirmations, does nothing more than affirm, that man undertakes and accomplishes the enterprises of a God, and that society executes the works belonging to man. What does human reason gain by abandoning Catholicism for Socialism, except to leave what is at once evident and mysterious, for what is at once mysterious and absurd?


Juan Donoso Cortes
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

drogulus



     
QuoteSociety can be considered in two different points of view

      That's not much of a choice, and they aren't very well described. For one thing, religions aren't constructed from a purely individual or social perspective, but by the interactions among them. I think that would apply to other isms, too. Another point to make is that social existence has emergent features that Robinson Crusoe wouldn't have, so

     
Quotethere can be nothing in the society which is not previously in the individuals

     is plainly false. Democracy has no existence in individuals, nor does socialism, except by how they emerge in the context of social development.
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ritter

Quote from: Florestan on July 19, 2020, 10:02:13 AM
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Juan Donoso Cortes
I use to live two blocks away from the street that bears Donoso Cortés' name here in Madrid. Until now, that was my only contact with him or his oeuvre (the chap has lapsed into almost complete oblivion in Spain, were it not for the street).

I don't think I was missing much ::), but thanks anyway for bringing him to my attention. ;)

Un abrazo, Andrei.