The Put On of the Century, or the Cage Centenary

[Mirror Image]

 

I always fancy I see Wile E. Coyote lurking in the wings during these discussions . . . .

Proceed with immediate caution.

[Mirror Image]

So you can't specifically go into why you disagree with any of the valid points he's made, nor do you have the insight (gained from 1st hand experience) to gauge the reasoning behind his points regarding the topic being discussed to see if they have any merit at all. Talk about empty ..

I don't go into specifics because they're not important. They may be to you and that's fine if they are, but the fact that you agree with Asia speaks volumes about yourself as a listener. By the way, Asia had no valid points.

[bigshot]

I have no valid points either then. A lot of us have no valid points.

[Mirror Image]

Of course they're important, 'the content' of what he said is the point of the thread .. otherwise youre the empty vessel here just making lots of noise. You have nothing thoughtful to counter his points. You have to point out specifically what points he raised that aren't valid and why, not his tone of voice. I bet if you had the capacity to actually breakdown what he said and had the experience under your belt as well  ..  you'd probably come away agreeing with what he said than not.

How many times do I have to say this I HAVE READ THE ARTICLE!!! CAN YOU NOT READ, James? Do you need some glasses? I disagree with you and Asia for the afore mentioned point I made: Cage was an important composer because history has already weighed in his influence. He's in the books, James. Anything I say, you say, or Asia says is moot at this juncture. History has been kind to Mr. Cage.

[Mirror Image]

I have no valid points either then. A lot of us have no valid points.

You don't need any points when you pick up three different classical history books and all three mention Cage and his importance to the 20th Century. 'Nuff said.

[Mirror Image]

Still a big zero from you .. and this addresses & means nothing

Like so many of your posts, especially in this thread. Why don't you go start a Daniel Asia thread? Where you can sing the man all the praises for writing such meaningful music that sounds like something someone wrote 40 years ago.

[Brahmsian]

Are there other Concertos for 'Prepared' Instruments?

[some guy]

Some guy: James needs to give specifics.

James: No I don't.

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James: Mirror needs to give specifics.

[Wait a minute! Say WHAT?]

Here's a comeback for Mirror. My gift.

Mirror: You first, James.

[PaulR]

The whole article seemed like another composer stating why the music s/he likes and/or writes is the only valid type of music.  This article, as other people say, is empty and only mentions what he likes.  No matter how accurate or inaccurate his "points" are.

[PaulR]

It doesn't get more specific than, read & address points made in the article.

You're reading far too much into this article.  It says nothing.....except "I like Stravinsky, I hate Cage!"

[Mirror Image]

I love watching James squirm like a salamander.

[PaulR]

No, I'm reading what is exactly written there .. nothing more.

His main point was that he hated the fact that people remember Cage, but wants to say he thinks Stravinsky is the "real deal".  There is nothing connecting the two besides the century of Cage's birth be in last year, and the premier of the Rite this year.   

[PaulR]

lol .. well he does go into it more than that. you have enough to really weigh-in or .. ?

That is the basic premise, and I know enough to judge that it ultimately means nothing. 

[Sammy]

I don't think kindly of composers who dump on other composers in a public setting. 

[Mirror Image]

That is the basic premise, and I know enough to judge that it ultimately means nothing.

It doesn't matter what you say to James. He just continues to repeat the same crap over and over again.

[PaulR]

Nah .. what he writes carries weight and is valid, especially if you've experienced things. Ultimately it's more about valuing and making serious artistic judgements regarding the art itself. Getting to the truth through all of the bs.

He only carries any weight because you appear to have  the same aesthetic values as Mr. Asia.  You accept the article as fact far too quickly, and ignore the most important line of the article in the conclusion of what kind of music he values.

[Mirror Image]

He only carries any weight because you appear to have  the same aesthetic values as Mr. Asia.  You accept the article as fact far too quickly, and ignore the most important line of the article in the conclusion of what kind of music he values.

Get ready for a rehash of a previous post by James.

[PaulR]

Get ready for a rehash of a previous post by James.

The real crime in this post: it made me re-read some of Adorno's writings.

[PaulR]

It has nothing to do with aesthetic value .. it has to do with musical value. The conclusion is merely a recap of the intro essentially .. the meat is in the body of the article. You're being far too reductive and simplistic and I sense perhaps you don't have any listening experience/perspective on the subject matter to completely understand the points within the article.

The whole article is not about musical value, but rather, Mr. Asia's personal musical taste.  Regardless of what you think of the result of Cage's music, it cannot be argued he didn't leave a mark on 20th century music. 

[some guy]

I could point out several things in there...

But won't.

What a tease.

In essence, we must all read this article of Asia's over and over again until we agree with James.

Um....