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[trung224]

"The Story You Are About To Read Is True.
The Names Have Been Changed To Protect The Innocent"
...

Very interesting and enjoyable story, mc ukrneal 

[kishnevi]

Alligator Alley just ordered three more cycles:

Norwood/LCP
Klemperer Membran--I don't know if that's the same stuff as in the EMI box, but it also has Brahms and Bruckner to go with it
Hogwood/AAM.   Just because.

The price for Szell seems to be a little steep, to say the least.....

And I remembered that I already have the Muti cycle.  So 18 plus 5 now ordered equals 23.

[Sergeant Rock]

You bastards, I was only winning the Beethoven game for 12 minutes, 34 seconds and I'm already in a second-place tie. Sarge, is Celi worth hearing, or Klemperer first?

Klemperer. I'm still struggling with Celi's Beethoven. I initially hated it...but it's growing on me...like fungus.

Sarge

[trung224]

Good on you for the Konwitschny. I predict you will be pleased with that. I quite like the 9th. 

Thanks, Gurn. I have the impassioned live Third from Konwitschny and Dresden Staatkapelle (not the one with Leipzig Gewandhaus), which I found magnificient. And I'm very glad to acquire his Beethoven cycle at the bargain price (12 Euro).

[Gurn Blanston]

When I get home tonight I'll count my meager few and give you all a laugh. I do seem to be the only one with Concertgebouw / Haitink right now though....

[Sergeant Rock]

The price for Szell seems to be a little steep, to say the least.....

Wait for it. The way Sony re-releases its core artists, there is bound to be a cheap box in the not so distant future.

Sarge

[trung224]

Alligator Alley just ordered three more cycles:

Norwood/LCP
Klemperer Membran--I don't know if that's the same stuff as in the EMI box, but it also has Brahms and Bruckner to go with it
Hogwood/AAM.   Just because.

The price for Szell seems to be a little steep, to say the least.....

And I remembered that I already have the Muti cycle.  So 18 plus 5 now ordered equals 23.

Now we are the one who keep the classical music market alive with hundred dollars was spent in only one hours
   The Klemperer on Membran is not the same one on EMI boxset, just the combination from the live items on Vox with WDR Orchestra, the Seventh and the Fifth is the same mono one on EMI box, otherwise is on the complete set on Music and Arts feature Klemperer and Philharmonia Orchestra on the tour in Vienna.

[trung224]

Wait for it. The way Sony re-releases its core artists, there is bound to be a cheap box in the not so distant future.

Sarge

Yes, but I don't know whether the Szell's boxset was the excellent DSD remastered like the Original Jacket collection or the inferior old 1980s remastered  just like some cheapo boxset recently.

[Brian]

Wow, Jeffrey's committed to winning.

Klemperer. I'm still struggling with Celi's Beethoven. I initially hated it...but it's growing on me...like fungus.

Sarge

I almost spat out my water laughing at this.

Wait for it. The way Sony re-releases its core artists, there is bound to be a cheap box in the not so distant future.

Sarge

This is one of the ones I have on MP3 only, so I'll be getting the CDs if Sony does a box. God, Szell/Casadesus in Mozart is so darn good.

[Sergeant Rock]

   Yes, but I don't know whether the Szell's boxset was the excellent DSD remastered like the Original Jacket collection or the inferior old 1980s remastered  just like some cheapo boxset recently.

Yeah, that's always a problem. I bought the Original Jackect...worth the expense.

Sarge

[kishnevi]

Wow, Jeffrey's committed to winning.

It's in the spirit of "He who dies with the most toys wins".   (Perhaps Cato can supply a Latin translation so I can make it my motto.)

I must admit that was the first time I spent a hundred and fifty bucks simply sitting at a library terminal.

And I also ordered the DG boxset of Lenny conducting Shostakovich and Stravinsky before I started my Beethoven binge....

Speaking of the Szell--I do actually have a couple of individual issues.  I'll have to check to see which ones they are, and then see if the others are available in that format as well.

[kishnevi]

When I get home tonight I'll count my meager few and give you all a laugh. I do seem to be the only one with Concertgebouw / Haitink right now though....

Don't fret.  Even with all these sets, and adding on the individual issues I have outside of these sets, I'd still need to get about 60 more performances of the Ninth to catch up to you.

And I still have more performances of Mahler 9 than I do of Beethoven 9.

BTW, Brian, technically, you're still in first place, and will remain so until my orders and Trung's actually land.

[Gurn Blanston]

Don't fret.  Even with all these sets, and adding on the individual issues I have outside of these sets, I'd still need to get about 60 more performances of the Ninth to catch up to you.

Well, I just wanted to give you guys some encouragement, since you all kicked my ass quite some time ago (I tend to buy Beethoven symphonies as singles (well, doubles usually));

Hogwood/AAM
Immerseel/Anima Eterna
Hanover Band/Goodman
Brüggen/Orchestra of the 18th Century
Gardiner/Orchestre Revolutionnaire etc
Norrington/London Classical Players
Harnoncourt/COE
Mackerras/Royal Liverpool
Mackerras/Scottish CO
Jochum/Bavarian RSO (early 1950's)
Haitink/Royal Concertgebouworkest
Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker 1962 & 63
Karajan/Philharmonia 1955ish
Zinman/Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra

Only 14 that I can lay hands on right now. Not even worth getting out of bed for.   Boy, I got a pisspot full of single disks though! 



Edited to correct oversight

[mahler10th]

Well, I just wanted to give you guys some encouragement, since you all kicked my ass quite some time ago (I tend to buy Beethoven symphonies as singles (well, doubles usually));

Hogwood/AAM
Immerseel/Anima Eterna
Hanover Band/Goodman
Brüggen/Orchestra of the 18th Century
Gardiner/Orchestre Revolutionnaire etc
Harnoncourt/COE
Mackerras/Royal Liverpool
Mackerras/Scottish CO
Jochum/Bavarian RSO (early 1950's)
Haitink/Royal Concertgebouworkest
Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker 1962 & 63
Karajan/Philharmonia 1955ish
Zinman/Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra
Only 13 that I can lay hands on right now. Not even worth getting out of bed for.   Boy, I got a pisspot full of single disks though! 

With such riches before you, methinks you may first reach for Immerseel?  Please?     I used to like the Gardiner set a lot, and the old school style of Bruggen (really old school), but since I heard that Immerseel, things changed.   

[Gurn Blanston]

With such riches before you, methinks you may first reach for Immerseel?  Please?     I used to like the Gardiner set a lot, and the old school style of Bruggen, but since I heard that Immerseel, things changed.   

Just to rate the 5 (crap, it's 6, I just remembered that I have Norrington's too) period instrument cycles by my favorites:

Immerseel
Hogwood
Gardiner
Norrington
Goodman
Brüggen

So yes, Immerseel on top. Of course, my favorite Eroica is Savall's, and it's a one-off. So it goes.

[Gurn Blanston]

Have you heard Bruggen's newest, live, cycle?  Or Krivine?  I enjoy both, but probably like the Krivine a bit more..

No, I haven't done. Undoubtedly will though. My 'want' list is longer than a West Texas well rope....

I have (and really like) Krivine's 9th. At the time I got it, the box set hadn't been released (or I didn't see it at Amazon yet). However, I don't collect cycles, just 9ths, so if I do end up with it, it will be unintentionally (like all my other cycles).

[kishnevi]

No, I haven't done. Undoubtedly will though. My 'want' list is longer than a West Texas well rope....

I have (and really like) Krivine's 9th. At the time I got it, the box set hadn't been released (or I didn't see it at Amazon yet). However, I don't collect cycles, just 9ths, so if I do end up with it, it will be unintentionally (like all my other cycles).

I thought Bruggen was excellent all the way through the first eight symphonies, and the first three movements of the Ninth, and the first portion of the Ninth's finale.  Then the bass/baritone soloist opened his mouth, and later on the tenor tried to sing....

Sorry, but I found the performance of those two singers so deficient that it made a major flaw in an otherwise outstanding set.

[Gurn Blanston]

I thought Bruggen was excellent all the way through the first eight symphonies, and the first three movements of the Ninth, and the first portion of the Ninth's finale.  Then the bass/baritone soloist opened his mouth, and later on the tenor tried to sing....

Sorry, but I found the performance of those two singers so deficient that it made a major flaw in an otherwise outstanding set.

Oh man, when the bass/baritone sucks, the whole performance is in the toilet...   I hate that happened.

[aukhawk]

And I still have more performances of Mahler 9 than I do of Beethoven 9.

If I only had one recording of Mahler 9** that would still be more than I have of Beethoven 9 

** actually I have 5 ...
Maderna (a recent buy, because it looked and sounded interesting)
Gergiev (cheap modern recording)
Haitink/CO (because I saw them do this live in London, around the time the record was made, early '70s)
Norrington (actually a recording of last year's 'farewell' Prom concert)
Sanderling/BBC PO (because he's my favourite conductor, and he helped raise this orchestra out of mediocrity)

5 is rather a lot, of a single work, for me.  Just Haitink would be enough, really.

[kishnevi]

Oh man, when the bass/baritone sucks, the whole performance is in the toilet...   I hate that happened.

I ought to make it clear that the set itself is still well worth getting.   And it is possible that I merely had a bad ear day, so to speak.

If I only had one recording of Mahler 9** that would still be more than I have of Beethoven 9 

** actually I have 5 ...
Maderna (a recent buy, because it looked and sounded interesting)
Gergiev (cheap modern recording)
Haitink/CO (because I saw them do this live in London, around the time the record was made, early '70s)
Norrington (actually a recording of last year's 'farewell' Prom concert)
Sanderling/BBC PO (because he's my favourite conductor, and he helped raise this orchestra out of mediocrity)

5 is rather a lot, of a single work, for me.  Just Haitink would be enough, really.

Maderna is very good, and so is Norrington, assuming it's equal to his recording with the Stuttgarters.

My clear favorites for M9 are Zinman,  Levine (Munich Phil, on Oehms), and Bernstein (the DG cycle).  If you end up liking Maderna, you'd love Zinman--same basic approach, but intensified and in better sound.

Haven't heard Haitink or Sanderling.