What are you listening to now?

[Mirror Image]

I would formally like to apologize to Conor and Harry for my comments to them and for my continuous, unnecessary ribbing of Jarvi's Sibelius. Happy listening, folks. Life's too short to be in anything but good spirits.

[SimonNZ]

Haven't seen you around much, Simon. Good to see you back.

Thanks! But I've been around, just haven't been listening to much classical worth noting here recently. Working instead through some non-classical recommendation lists - some highlights from that I've posted on the Listening thread in The Diner.

[Mirror Image]

Thanks! But I've been around, just haven't been listening to much classical worth noting here recently. Working instead through some non-classical recommendation lists - some highlights from that I've posted on the Listening thread in The Diner.

Ah, okay. I hear you. I'm taking a bit of a break from classical myself for now.

[Andante]

Frederick Delius: Brigg Fair, An English Rhapsody


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JUKXwHZz4

[Que]

Morning listening:

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[mc ukrneal]

Delightful way to start the day:
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[Wanderer]

Morning coffee mit Schumann:

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[Madiel]

Now streaming: Violin Concerto No.2

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[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

and before that, I listened to this:

[SimonNZ]

Hey, CoAG! I was thinking of you when I came across a Pintscher piece I hadn't heard before, just the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2hf_Oa2-cY

[Harry]

Starting today with a composer I much admire. He is in close proximity of Haydn, and well worth listening to.

http://walboi.blogspot.nl/2016/07/pleyel-ignaz-joseph-1757-1831-symphonies.html?spref=tw

[Wanderer]

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[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Hey, CoAG! I was thinking of you when I came across a Pintscher piece I hadn't heard before, just the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2hf_Oa2-cY

Hi! That is indeed an enjoyable piece that I should listen to again sometime soon.

[Karl Henning]

I really like this recording of an at times very intense piece. It's been a regular on my player for over a year now.

There's a piece I must revisit.

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[Karl Henning]

You're right of course, and I should have been more precise. But the Ihr/Euch form is used for plurals as well, and I take it to apply to the entire community at this point. At least since the whole chorus takes up "Ehrt eure deutschen Meister" at the final tableau, I can't quite see this as merely a private conversation between Sachs and Walther!

To risk an unsupported assertion: There are no private conversations in a Wagner opera 

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[Karl Henning]

Now:



Listening to Icelandic Folk Dances. So infectious. Love it.

Icelanders gotta keep warm.

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[Drasko]

[Jo498]

You're right of course, and I should have been more precise. But the Ihr/Euch form is used for plurals as well, and I take it to apply to the entire community at this point. At least since the whole chorus takes up "Ehrt eure deutschen Meister" at the final tableau, I can't quite see this as merely a private conversation between Sachs and Walther!

I agree; the final oration is clearly addressed to everybody at the "Festwiese". But I do not think the interpretation is quite as straightforward. The fear that the German/Holy Roman Empire would fall apart was not at all unfounded. It actually was a fairly weak entity in Sachs' time and basically fell apart because of the reformation/counter-reformation and what happened only about 50 years after the historical Sachs' death with the 30 years war was precisely the devastation of central Germany with the participation of foreign powers (France and Sweden). Although the Empire kept existing on paper until 1806.

It could probably also be argued that the establishment of German as a language for literature and philosophy was also delayed for about a 100 years or more because of the turmoil of the 17th century and the French cultural dominance until the mid/late 18th century. (The earliest German "classical" author is Lessing 1729-81 although there are of course some in the 17th cent., the 250 year gap between Luther and Lessing is remarkable.)

And in Wagner's time the restoration was by no means achieved (Meistersinger Premiere 1868, establishment of the Prussian-led German Empire 1871, the Austrian Empire was not quite "wälsch" but it was multi-ethnic). So the idea that the cultural tradition and identity would form the basis of a national identity because there was no political unity (as e.g. in France, the mortal enemy from Napoleon until 1918) and that this cultural identity would eventually lead to such a political unity was current throughout the 19th century (in its more precise from that idea was probably born in the wars against Napoleon).

It's probably more complex still because Wagner had started out more like an anarchist than a nationalist, so how he conceived the role of "Holy German Art" and its relation to a German Empire is not so obvious. Maybe he cared more about the supremacy of the Art than about any stable Reich

[Mookalafalas]

Is that still available? That's a big box I'd go for.

In case you have forgotten, you were talking about the big Szell box.  I recently saw that selling quite cheaply from one of the big (but not Amazon) sellers for a pretty cheap price.  I was actually disappointed cuz I was thinking about selling mine (purchased for about $150) for a big profit.  Look around.  If you can't find it but really want it, ask me and I'll see if I can locate the seller.

[aligreto]

Liszt: Mazeppa and Festklange [Masur]....