Purchases Today

[Wanderer]

Good choice.

[The new erato]

Ordered.

http://walboi.blogspot.nl/2014/10/on-my-order-list-as-of-today.html?spref=tw

Be aware that Lyrita produces CD-Rs as far as I currently know.

[Harry]

Excellent music, excellent interpretations, geat sound, great price. You chose wisely, Harry !

Thank you for the thumbs up Andre. I am going through the box with String concertos and thats a real winner too.

[Harry]

Be aware that Lyrita produces CD-Rs as far as I currently know.

How can you see this Erato, its not mentioned anywhere.
What I could find is this: SRCD 2346, but thats the box number
And if, is that a problem for sound or durability?

[king ubu]

Got shipping notices for ...

[asin]B000005GON[/asin]
[asin]B000003G38[/asin]
[asin]B00004YMJ0[/asin]
[asin]B00005Q66Y[/asin]
Catching up on Wand's Bruckner, adding these to the "Great Recordings" box, which holds the complete cycle he made with another orchestra - but I heard so many good things about the recordings with the Berlin Philharmonic that I just need to grab these before they all cost a fortune (the other two are on order as well but not yet on their way - crossing fingers all those lousy MP sellers indeed deliver).

The Jurinac will go straight to the player when I get it, that's for sure!

[The new erato]

How can you see this Erato, its not mentioned anywhere.
What I could find is this: SRCD 2346, but thats the box number
And if, is that a problem for sound or durability?

They don't mention it anywhere, that's the main problem. But the Wyastone group that prints Lyrita discs (and liots of other stuff; check for a website) now only does CD-Rs AFAIK. If you have the string concerto disc, you should inspect it. The surface of a CD-R disc (which is printed by ink on th surface) has a distinct different reflection than a traditional CD where the digits are imprinted (physically stamped) omn aluminium and covered with plastic. And in my experience you must be significantly more careful with CD-Rs as regards sunlight and heat. Don't leave them in the car for example. 

My take on those is that you need to rip them immediately; in which case you might just as well buy them as downloads (and print your own disc if you are addicted to discs). But again; my main gripe is that they don't tell the consumer what they are selling. If those sets had been stamped discs (i.e. "real" CDs) I would have bought them but I don't trust anything from Wyastone, and don't condone their practices of not informing their customers.

The digital format is Red Book CD (that's the reason they are alowed to call them CDs, (a CD can be anything that follows that standard), so they should sound the same as long as they are undamaged.

[king ubu]

basics for instance here:
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Versus_CDr

Nimbus and VAI do CD-Rs as well ... I think they do CDs initially but once the run has sold, they'll re-print as CD-Rs. And some cheapo labels such as Opera d'Oro, too (though those are in general not recommended anyway).

I also rip any CD-Rs I buy to my harddrive as soon as I get them, usually.

[Cosi bel do]

Got shipping notices for ...

[asin]B000005GON[/asin]
[asin]B000003G38[/asin]
[asin]B00004YMJ0[/asin]
[asin]B00005Q66Y[/asin]
Catching up on Wand's Bruckner, adding these to the "Great Recordings" box, which holds the complete cycle he made with another orchestra - but I heard so many good things about the recordings with the Berlin Philharmonic that I just need to grab these before they all cost a fortune (the other two are on order as well but not yet on their way - crossing fingers all those lousy MP sellers indeed deliver).

The Jurinac will go straight to the player when I get it, that's for sure!

You're right about these Wand recordings. The 5th and the 9th with the Berliner are his best. About the 8th, he did better previously with the NDR (live in Lubeck). The 7th, well, I always got the impression Wand didn't really succeed with this one as with others.

[The new erato]

basics for instance here:
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Versus_CDr

Nimbus and VAI do CD-Rs as well ... I think they do CDs initially but once the run has sold, they'll re-print as CD-Rs. And some cheapo labels such as Opera d'Oro, too (though those are in general not recommended anyway).

I also rip any CD-Rs I buy to my harddrive as soon as I get them, usually.

Nimbus is Wyastone group. They produce several labels. Dutton may be amongst them (but I'm not sure). Hyperion has an Archive service that does CD-Rs among the same lines.

[André]

When you rip, isn't there some kind of compression involved ?

[North Star]

When you rip, isn't there some kind of compression involved ?

Yes, but it can be lossless. 

[king ubu]

Nimbus is Wyastone group. They produce several labels. Dutton may be amongst them (but I'm not sure). Hyperion has an Archive service that does CD-Rs among the same lines.

Okay, wasn't aware, only have a few jazz releases by Nimbus that weren't properly labelled by big bad A.

As for lossiness/compression of rips, not to my knowledge. Use EAC, set up secure mode properly and you end up getting WAV files that are probably as close as you can get to what's on the disc (you can compress those using FLAC to save space).

Info on FLAC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC

Best programme for conversion (at least for Windows users):
http://tlh.easytree.org/

And EAC (just make sure not to hit any wrong download buttons there ... I'm on a work computer without ad blocker, so there's ton of crap appearing on the site):
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

Not sure if there's an appropriate thread were this discussion could be moved to, but if needed I'd gladly help out with setting up EAC correctly (it's been a while, but I think I have some notes somewhere).

[Karl Henning]

Brian already has Lumières -- he and I bought it at the same time. It's really a fantastic set. Listen to the other 28 discs already!

I've got it, too, and I get a warm-fuzzy feeling, knowing that it's waiting for me.

[Harry]

They don't mention it anywhere, that's the main problem. But the Wyastone group that prints Lyrita discs (and liots of other stuff; check for a website) now only does CD-Rs AFAIK. If you have the string concerto disc, you should inspect it. The surface of a CD-R disc (which is printed by ink on th surface) has a distinct different reflection than a traditional CD where the digits are imprinted (physically stamped) omn aluminium and covered with plastic. And in my experience you must be significantly more careful with CD-Rs as regards sunlight and heat. Don't leave them in the car for example. 

My take on those is that you need to rip them immediately; in which case you might just as well buy them as downloads (and print your own disc if you are addicted to discs). But again; my main gripe is that they don't tell the consumer what they are selling. If those sets had been stamped discs (i.e. "real" CDs) I would have bought them but I don't trust anything from Wyastone, and don't condone their practices of not informing their customers.

The digital format is Red Book CD (that's the reason they are alowed to call them CDs, (a CD can be anything that follows that standard), so they should sound the same as long as they are undamaged.

Your right, after inspecting I saw that they are CD-R. Ink on the surface, well in time to let the piano concertos go me thinks. its on my to order list.

[The new erato]

Low price and attractive repertoire has made me close to buying these sets. What has kept me back is their unethical stance of not clearly telling customers what kind of product they sell. Had they clearly marked the sets as CD-Rs in their marketing, I would have considered buying. CD-Rs in mye eyes are substandard products that should carry a discount, as these sets do. But be upfront about it!

[HIPster]

Low price and attractive repertoire has made me close to buying these sets. What has kept me back is their unethical stance of not clearly telling customers what kind of product they sell. Had they clearly marked the sets as CD-Rs in their marketing, I would have considered buying. CD-Rs in mye eyes are substandard products that should carry a discount, as these sets do. But be upfront about it!

+1 here too, new erato!  Well stated.

I have no problems with issuing recordings as CD-R's, as with ArkivMusic for example, but the difference is that ArkivMusic labels them as such.

I think that there is a thread in The Diner, alerting members to CD-R recordings which are not labeled or advertised as such. . .  Maybe started by Octave a while back?

[Sadko]

How can you see this Erato, its not mentioned anywhere.
What I could find is this: SRCD 2346, but thats the box number
And if, is that a problem for sound or durability?

There is a durability problem with -R media: the information is stored in a layer of dye, organic substances, and they are not as long lasting as a metal layer. I heard you should not rely on more than about 8 years lifetime with better ones. Bad CD-Rs can cause problems even earlier, as to hearsay.

I consider CD-Rs just as a temporary carrier, which I rip immediately after getting it.

As to ripping and compression: One can rip to WAV files, they are lossless and uncompressed. But it is a waste of disk space - and time: With the current computers loading a losslessly compressed file from the hard disk and then de-compressing it (automatically in the player) is faster than retrieving an uncompressed WAV-File without further processing.

PS: And some lossless formats allow integrity checks: They are inbuilt with the APE format and possible with FLAC. That is handy if you want to check a big collection on a hard disk for file integrity and diskerrors.

[André]

Boy, oh boy ! This is soooooo above my poor little head.. . I'm an object collector. Ever since we switched to a Mac computer at home,  I haven't been able to figure out how to download and repress on cdr. That door being closed, I turned to used cds - and new in the case of all those super cheap big boxes. Been 2 years now and I haven't downloaded a thing.

The good thing with this is that I'm getting only what I'm really prepared to pay for, and on a good, legal support. I came out of the closet  .

[Sadko]

Boy, oh boy ! This is soooooo above my poor little head.. . I'm an object collector. Ever since we switched to a Mac computer at home,  I haven't been able to figure out how to download and repress on cdr. That door being closed, I turned to used cds - and new in the case of all those super cheap big boxes. Been 2 years now and I haven't downloaded a thing.

The good thing with this is that I'm getting only what I'm really prepared to pay for, and on a good, legal support. I came out of the closet  .

- I also buy used CDs. They sit on my watch list and when the price is low I consider buying, if I feel I really want them, not just because they are cheap. :-)  Waiting for a good price also helps against buying too much too spontaneously. Of course I can get weak now and then too :-) But I don't enjoy buying too much at once, it causes more pressure than pleasure to me.

[Chris L.]

Got these used at Half Price Books. Swapped out the old jewel cases and inserts with some fresh new ones and they're as good as new.