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[Mirror Image]

And even if you take that into account, Mirror Image is still responsible for introducing the notion of best composer of the time period, and then complaining that he "didn't know it was a competition" the moment someone had a different view.

So no, the issue is not simply ambiguity. The issue is the inability to deal with conflict or misunderstanding in a meaningful way instead of employing an eye-rolling emoji at the first opportunity.

Orfeo, I avoid conflict with people like yourself, because it's quite simply not worth it hence why I enter in eye-rolling emoticons. There is no way I'd argue with you, because it doesn't matter what I say, it'd never be to your satisfaction nor would you ever bother to understand my point and the possible reasoning behind it. You, to put it quite mildly, are a first-class jerk and a bully. I'll let you have the last word, because you always do anyway, so in the meantime, I'll just put you on ignore and enjoy conversing with others that don't look for the first opportunity to jump on an already wounded animal.

I hope you can find some peace in this life and whatever chip you have on your shoulder --- I surely hope you can find a way to remove it. All the best to you and yours.

[Mirror Image]

Was kicking myself for selling it, but saw it on sale at Presto and got it back for only $7 more than the sum I sold it for..

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How is that cycle, Scarpia? I've read good things about it.

[arpeggio]

Orfeo, I avoid conflict with people like yourself, because it's quite simply not worth it hence why I enter in eye-rolling emoticons. There is no way I'd argue with you, because it doesn't matter what I say, it'd never be to your satisfaction nor would you ever bother to understand my point and the possible reasoning behind it. You, to put it quite mildly, are a first-class jerk and a bully. I'll let you have the last word, because you always do anyway, so in the meantime, I'll just put you on ignore and enjoy conversing with others that don't look for the first opportunity to jump on an already wounded animal.

I hope you can find some peace in this life and whatever chip you have on your shoulder --- I surely hope you can find a way to remove it. All the best to you and yours.

Ditto

[André]

I've been listening to my 3 discs of Schubert piano music by Endres for about 10 years now, but never got to purchase the others. Time to complete the series with the missing links!



The devil made me do it!  . On the basis of recommendations in the Manfred Symphony thread I think I have to try this one: world's best orchestra playing in the best hall. Only hiccup might come from the conductor, whom I find dull as dishwater half of the time. My fingers are crossed.

[Mirror Image]

Ditto

Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way.

[kyjo]

Ditto

+1

[Madiel]

I wasn't the one he was arguing with, but don't that let stop you.

I'm actually trying to get a SOLUTION to the problem. But it won't happen. Because the strategy is always avoid, avoid, avoid.

Disagree with someone? Then don't resolve it. Ignore it, or pretend it didn't happen.

In general I like Mirror Image a lot, and he gives every indication of liking me. But there's this one thing: when I see a disagreement, I want to sort it out. When he sees a disagreement, it's a bad thing to be avoided. On that particular thing we are complete opposites.

I am of the strong view that avoiding conflict to the point where you actually deny the conflict happened is unhealthy. My involvement in this matter was an attempt (not the first one) to get Mirror Image to acknowledge that he would be better off dealing with people who disagree with him (such as people who disagree with him on the best Czech composers, WHICH WAS NOT ME) rather than running off.

Seriously, I can think of half a dozen responses to the original mention of Smetana and Suk that would have sorted the whole thing out.

But apparently this, and my admitted frustration with his intransigence, makes me a bully? Okay then, but by golly he's going to encounter a lot of bullying in his life if that's the definition, a friendly person who isn't a sycophant. A person who doesn't simply say what he wants to hear and say everything's fine. Everything is NOT fine. Dealing with conflict is a part of life, and what I see is a person poorly equipped to deal with it.

So that's the end of my attempt at tough love.

[Que]

The devil made me do it!  . On the basis of recommendations in the Manfred Symphony thread I think I have to try this one: world's best orchestra playing in the best hall. Only hiccup might come from the conductor, whom I find dull as dishwater half of the time. My fingers are crossed.

I actually agree with you about Chailly - it's hit or miss... Though his misses are in the Classical and mainstream repertoire , his hits clearly in the late Romantic and Modern, 20th century repertoire.

How this slipped through is beyond me, but it will surprise you! 

Q

[ritter]

This is something I had been searching for years and had given up hope of ever finding... Finally a used copy ("comme neuf") at a decent price has surfaced (it's a relatively new MP seller, but his reviews are uniformly good, so my hopes are high). 



I've always had a soft spot for Gaspare Spontini's operas, and think there's much to admire in La Vestale and Olympie. This Fernand Cortez is one of his major works.

And not too incoherently, also got this (dirt cheap, "d'occasion - très bon état"):

[Parsifal]

How is that cycle, Scarpia? I've read good things about it.

In the category of a conductor who does not wear his heart on his sleeve in Mahler. Performances tend to be neutral and allow the music to speak for itself. Sort of the opposite of the Bernstein/DG cycle.

[Mirror Image]

In the category of a conductor who does not wear his heart on his sleeve in Mahler. Performances tend to be neutral and allow the music to speak for itself. Sort of the opposite of the Bernstein/DG cycle.

Ah okay. Sounds like he's more instep with the interpretations of Boulez and perhaps Haitink (whom I both love in Mahler and many other composers).

[mc ukrneal]

I wasn’t the one he was arguing with, but don’t that let stop you.

I’m actually trying to get a SOLUTION to the problem. But it won’t happen. Because the strategy is always avoid, avoid, avoid.

Disagree with someone? Then don’t resolve it. Ignore it, or pretend it didn’t happen.

In general I like Mirror Image a lot, and he gives every indication of liking me. But there’s this one thing: when I see a disagreement, I want to sort it out. When he sees a disagreement, it’s a bad thing to be avoided. On that particular thing we are complete opposites.

I am of the strong view that avoiding conflict to the point where you actually deny the conflict happened is unhealthy. My involvement in this matter was an attempt (not the first one) to get Mirror Image to acknowledge that he would be better off dealing with people who disagree with him (such as people who disagree with him on the best Czech composers, WHICH WAS NOT ME) rather than running off.

Seriously, I can think of half a dozen responses to the original mention of Smetana and Suk that would have sorted the whole thing out.

But apparently this, and my admitted frustration with his intransigence, makes me a bully? Okay then, but by golly he’s going to encounter a lot of bullying in his life if that’s the definition, a friendly person who isn’t a sycophant. A person who doesn’t simply say what he wants to hear and say everything’s fine. Everything is NOT fine. Dealing with conflict is a part of life, and what I see is a person poorly equipped to deal with it.

So that’s the end of my attempt at tough love.

I also believe in dealing with conflict head on. But I have a question for you (one to think about, not answer here): are you confronting the conflict head on or creating it?

Here's another sample to think about - your recent post on transcriptions did not leave much room for discussion. it was made strongly and with little willingness (as I understood the post) to consider the other side. I can tell you that I disagree with you - I love transcriptions for a host of reasons: you get to hear the music differently, the textures are different, the focus is often different, it makes you think about how the original is performed, etc. Then, why should performers not be able to play what other instruments play? I play saxophone, so I would never get to play Bach or Schubert or Mendelssohn or a host of other composers/pieces. But even if you dismiss all of that, I just like them. I find them fun. I hesitated to post this only because I had the impression it would lead to an endless argument that neither enlighten nor contribute to understanding in any way. Maybe I am wrong...

[mc ukrneal]

Finally got the recent Godard release on Ediciones Singulares. Initial impression is definitely positive!
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[André]

I'm mucho tempted by this Godard opera. Please report !

[Mirror Image]

I also believe in dealing with conflict head on. But I have a question for you (one to think about, not answer here): are you confronting the conflict head on or creating it?

Here's another sample to think about - your recent post on transcriptions did not leave much room for discussion. it was made strongly and with little willingness (as I understood the post) to consider the other side. I can tell you that I disagree with you - I love transcriptions for a host of reasons: you get to hear the music differently, the textures are different, the focus is often different, it makes you think about how the original is performed, etc. Then, why should performers not be able to play what other instruments play? I play saxophone, so I would never get to play Bach or Schubert or Mendelssohn or a host of other composers/pieces. But even if you dismiss all of that, I just like them. I find them fun. I hesitated to post this only because I had the impression it would lead to an endless argument that neither enlighten nor contribute to understanding in any way. Maybe I am wrong...

Please allow me clarify something: I AM NOT a coward or someone that backs down from opposition if I believe the case is worth fighting for. But when it comes to something like music, however, I don't believe it's worth arguing over because of the sheer subjective nature it inhabits opens it up to a whole realm of personal opinions. Orfeo believes he's doing me a favor by prodding and nudging me into snapping back at him and trying to present an argument, but that will never happen, especially now that it's quite clear that he would rather argue with someone rather than have a meaningful discussion. Over the course of his past few posts on this thread, he accused me of being a baby (he just said I entered into 'sulk mode' instead) and a coward (quoted example below) all because I didn't want to engage with him in discussing something that I didn't want to discuss any further. I don't care about solutions nor do I care to argue when it comes to music. As I've said, it's not worth it.

Dealing with conflict is a part of life, and what I see is a person poorly equipped to deal with it.

[Parsifal]

Ah okay. Sounds like he's more instep with the interpretations of Boulez and perhaps Haitink (whom I both love in Mahler and many other composers).

Perhaps Haitink. I can't say about Boulez, since I have found myself almost universally repelled by the recordings he made in the DG era, although I enjoy many of the earlier recordings he made for CBS and Erato.

[Mirror Image]

Perhaps Haitink. I can't say about Boulez, since I have found myself almost universally repelled by the recordings he made in the DG era, although I enjoy many of the earlier recordings he made for CBS and Erato.

[mc ukrneal]

Please allow me clarify something: I AM NOT a coward or someone that backs down from opposition if I believe the case is worth fighting for. But when it comes to something like music, however, I don’t believe it’s worth arguing over because of the sheer subjective nature it inhabits opens it up to a whole realm of personal opinions. Orfeo believes he’s doing me a favor by prodding and nudging me into snapping back at him and trying to present an argument, but that will never happen, especially now that it’s quite clear that he would rather argue with someone rather than have a meaningful discussion. Over the course of his past few posts on this thread, he accused me of being a baby (he just said I entered into ’sulk mode’ instead) and a coward (quoted example below) all because I didn’t want to engage with him in discussing something that I didn’t want to discuss any further. I don’t care about solutions nor do I care to argue when it comes to music. As I’ve said, it’s not worth it.

I understand.

[André]

I understand.

+ 1.

I would have done the same. I can be quite argumentative, but experience tells me nothing good ever comes out of it. I'd rather let the gauntlet on the floor and move to something else.

[Madiel]

I also believe in dealing with conflict head on. But I have a question for you (one to think about, not answer here): are you confronting the conflict head on or creating it?

Here's another sample to think about - your recent post on transcriptions did not leave much room for discussion. it was made strongly and with little willingness (as I understood the post) to consider the other side. I can tell you that I disagree with you - I love transcriptions for a host of reasons: you get to hear the music differently, the textures are different, the focus is often different, it makes you think about how the original is performed, etc. Then, why should performers not be able to play what other instruments play? I play saxophone, so I would never get to play Bach or Schubert or Mendelssohn or a host of other composers/pieces. But even if you dismiss all of that, I just like them. I find them fun. I hesitated to post this only because I had the impression it would lead to an endless argument that neither enlighten nor contribute to understanding in any way. Maybe I am wrong...

I thought I wrote about transcriptions in a way that conveyed it was my personal and subjective opinion. Not as if it was a widely shared view. Though feel free to tell me if you think I did not convey that subjectivity.

As for creating conflict, yes, I did quite consciously create one form of conflict here. But I did it after witnessing the same recurring pattern of behaviour yet again, in the hope of preventing it from continuing to recur.

I find it very frustrating that MI shuts down arguments by acting as if he didn't say what he said. As I say, it's a recurring pattern of behaviour. It clearly didn't please the person he did it to on this occasion. Which was not me. Nor did he please a couple of other people who felt that Smetana was an important Czech composer.

But his responses in both cases (I.e. to me as well) are constantly full of phrases of "I'm going to ignore this". And that's the frustration. It's not good, on a message board, to repeatedly tell other people that you're going to ignore what they said and that this will solve the problem. Because it only solves the problem for you. It leaves the other person invalidated.