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Re: Purchases Today
« Reply #24360 on: September 16, 2019, 09:13:18 PM »


What Amazon sold me was a crappily packaged CD-R with no booklet and so no lyrics for these vocal works.

And I am annoyed as hell, because at no stage during my browsing and purchasing did I go through the "edition" page that would have highlighted this is what Amazon is selling. Because of the way that they mix together their own products and marketplace sellers, and have 4 different editions, I had no clue.

I have left a one star review accordingly, to join the other one star reviews that are, of course, only available if you just happen to click through to the right "edition" of the album.

Now to find a real album.  >:( >:(

EDIT: Turns out the booklet can be downloaded from the Chandos website (even though it's not a Chandos album). I'm still mad and have no intention of retracting my refund request.
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« Reply #24361 on: September 16, 2019, 10:42:53 PM »
What Amazon sold me was a crappily packaged CD-R with no booklet and so no lyrics for these vocal works.

And I am annoyed as hell, because at no stage during my browsing and purchasing did I go through the "edition" page that would have highlighted this is what Amazon is selling. Because of the way that they mix together their own products and marketplace sellers, and have 4 different editions, I had no clue.

I have left a one star review accordingly, to join the other one star reviews that are, of course, only available if you just happen to click through to the right "edition" of the album.

Despite the fact that Amazon lists 3 reviews, only 2 are available and they are 6 years old. Apparently yours was not published.
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« Reply #24362 on: September 16, 2019, 10:45:04 PM »
Despite the fact that Amazon lists 3 reviews, only 2 are available and they are 6 years old. Apparently yours was not published.

They say it takes a couple of days to process a review. Possibly for defamatory content...
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« Reply #24363 on: September 16, 2019, 11:03:30 PM »
They say it takes a couple of days to process a review. Possibly for defamatory content...

I can hardly wait to read yours. The other two are equally negative.
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« Reply #24364 on: September 16, 2019, 11:18:38 PM »
I can hardly wait to read yours. The other two are equally negative.

It's just a ridiculous thing to do with vocal works, not include the booklet that had the texts in them.

The Chandos website is not an ideal substitute because the formatting of CD booklets is not an A4 page... but I'm not paying Amazon for a CD-R when I could already listen to this music on streaming services, or buy a download (Presto, for example, has downloads and DOES at least include a digital booklet). A decent booklet is really one of the main reasons to buy this in CD format, and they don't give you one. Just a really crappy inlay.

The immediate automated response for processing the refund said I don't have to return the disc. Of course not. They'll just spit out another one if someone manages to navigate to the shopping cart through the mp3/streaming editions as I did.
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« Reply #24365 on: September 16, 2019, 11:26:15 PM »
It's just a ridiculous thing to do with vocal works, not include the booklet that had the texts in them.

The Chandos website is not an ideal substitute because the formatting of CD booklets is not an A4 page... but I'm not paying Amazon for a CD-R when I could already listen to this music on streaming services, or buy a download (Presto, for example, has downloads and DOES at least include a digital booklet). A decent booklet is really one of the main reasons to buy this in CD format, and they don't give you one. Just a really crappy inlay.

The immediate automated response for processing the refund said I don't have to return the disc. Of course not. They'll just spit out another one if someone manages to navigate to the shopping cart through the mp3/streaming editions as I did.

Yeah, that's a whole load of shit.

Chandos booklets have been useful for me, though I was not able to find everything I wanted.
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« Reply #24366 on: September 17, 2019, 05:47:57 AM »


Just found it in Melomania in Paris, I’m very pleased.
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« Reply #24367 on: September 17, 2019, 07:21:11 AM »
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« Reply #24368 on: September 17, 2019, 07:26:02 AM »


Just found it in Melomania in Paris, I’m very pleased.

I can imagine!  :)

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« Reply #24369 on: September 17, 2019, 07:26:46 AM »
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« Reply #24370 on: September 17, 2019, 07:51:00 AM »
I can imagine!  :)

Yes, it’s well worth setting up alerts on their website for recordings you’re after. In fact, with this one I set the alert yesterday and got an email this afternoon! But there have been a few other things they’ve found for me in that way in the past, always very reasonably priced and quick to dispatch. If you’re ever in Paris it’s nice to visit to their shop if you’re near St Germain des Prés with a bit of time to kill. They’re friendly.
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« Reply #24371 on: September 17, 2019, 08:31:29 AM »
I have ordered some Ablitzer CDs  (from Harmonic records - fast and courteous service). Just now they are on their way to me.

Buxtehude organ works vol. 6
Boehm organ and vocal works
Bruna organ works.

Also the Koito Bach triosonatas CD

and the Dufay/Binchois CD with Vellard.
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« Reply #24372 on: September 17, 2019, 09:07:23 AM »
I have ordered some Ablitzer CDs  (from Harmonic records - fast and courteous service). Just now they are on their way to me.

Buxtehude organ works vol. 6
Boehm organ and vocal works
Bruna organ works.

Also the Koito Bach triosonatas CD

and the Dufay/Binchois CD with Vellard.

I would add the Couperin organ masses....

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« Reply #24373 on: September 17, 2019, 09:13:57 AM »
I would add the Couperin organ masses....

Q

I was tempted because of the participation of Ensemble Organum. But I have to say, that I never enjoyed Francois Couperin's music that much.

Instead I ordered this from Amazon.fr:

https://www.amazon.fr/Siglo-Oro-J-Charles-Cablitzer/dp/B07PRW64FF/ref=sr_1_29?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=ablitzer&qid=1568741643&s=music&sr=1-29
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Re: Purchases Today
« Reply #24374 on: September 17, 2019, 09:39:13 AM »
What Amazon sold me was a crappily packaged CD-R with no booklet and so no lyrics for these vocal works.

And I am annoyed as hell, because at no stage during my browsing and purchasing did I go through the "edition" page that would have highlighted this is what Amazon is selling. Because of the way that they mix together their own products and marketplace sellers, and have 4 different editions, I had no clue.

I have left a one star review accordingly, to join the other one star reviews that are, of course, only available if you just happen to click through to the right "edition" of the album.

Now to find a real album.  >:( >:(

EDIT: Turns out the booklet can be downloaded from the Chandos website (even though it's not a Chandos album). I'm still mad and have no intention of retracting my refund request.
I'm especially sorry to hear this because that is a very enjoyable album.

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« Reply #24376 on: September 17, 2019, 04:40:29 PM »
What Amazon sold me was a crappily packaged CD-R with no booklet and so no lyrics for these vocal works.

And I am annoyed as hell, because at no stage during my browsing and purchasing did I go through the "edition" page that would have highlighted this is what Amazon is selling. Because of the way that they mix together their own products and marketplace sellers, and have 4 different editions, I had no clue.

I have left a one star review accordingly, to join the other one star reviews that are, of course, only available if you just happen to click through to the right "edition" of the album.

Now to find a real album.  >:( >:(

EDIT: Turns out the booklet can be downloaded from the Chandos website (even though it's not a Chandos album). I'm still mad and have no intention of retracting my refund request.
Can I clarify - did you buy this from the US Amazon? Because on the page for that disc (on US amazon), it states quite clearly near the top of the page (right under the prices) that this disc is manufactured on demand. If you click on 'learn more' it says you'll get a CD-R with the artwork (makes no mention of the booklet). Now, if you buy a used product (perhaps this is what you got?), there is no way to know if you will get a used product or an old printed version. This is why I almost never buy used unless the price is sufficiently low to offset the risk (which practically means I never buy used either). Marco Polo is one of the brands you always have to look for this little notice (on Amazon at least).
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Re: Purchases Today
« Reply #24377 on: September 17, 2019, 05:00:45 PM »
Can I clarify - did you buy this from the US Amazon? Because on the page for that disc (on US amazon), it states quite clearly near the top of the page (right under the prices) that this disc is manufactured on demand. If you click on 'learn more' it says you'll get a CD-R with the artwork (makes no mention of the booklet). Now, if you buy a used product (perhaps this is what you got?), there is no way to know if you will get a used product or an old printed version. This is why I almost never buy used unless the price is sufficiently low to offset the risk (which practically means I never buy used either). Marco Polo is one of the brands you always have to look for this little notice (on Amazon at least).
I have purchased CD-R like this before, knowing that it's just CD-R with no libretto. I have La Favorita and recording of the premiere performance of Vanessa (Barber) that way.
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« Reply #24378 on: September 17, 2019, 06:26:43 PM »
Can I clarify - did you buy this from the US Amazon? Because on the page for that disc (on US amazon), it states quite clearly near the top of the page (right under the prices) that this disc is manufactured on demand. If you click on 'learn more' it says you'll get a CD-R with the artwork (makes no mention of the booklet). Now, if you buy a used product (perhaps this is what you got?), there is no way to know if you will get a used product or an old printed version. This is why I almost never buy used unless the price is sufficiently low to offset the risk (which practically means I never buy used either). Marco Polo is one of the brands you always have to look for this little notice (on Amazon at least).

But you don’t need to have gone through “the page for that disc” in order to BUY that disc. Which is my point.

If you find the album and the first version you find is streaming or mp3, it is perfectly possible to click on the offer for buying various copies without ever encountering the Amazon CD page that says it is manufactured on demand. Trust me I checked.

And the page that lists all the new and used copies, including Amazon’s CD-R? Zero indication on THAT page that it’s a CD-R. It’s simply listed as “New”.

Amazon’s site design is frankly woeful in some areas. As an Australian you also won’t encounter proper warnings about what they won’t ship to Australia anymore until you try to check out your shopping cart. 
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« Reply #24379 on: September 17, 2019, 06:34:21 PM »
But you don’t need to have gone through “the page for that disc” in order to BUY that disc. Which is my point.

If you find the album and the first version you find is streaming or mp3, it is perfectly possible to click on the offer for buying various copies without ever encountering the Amazon CD page that says it is manufactured on demand. Trust me I checked.

And the page that lists all the new and used copies, including Amazon’s CD-R? Zero indication on THAT page that it’s a CD-R.

Amazon’s site design is frankly woeful in some areas. As an Australian you also won’t encounter proper warnings about what they won’t ship to Australia anymore until you try to check out your shopping cart.

The lesson therefore is always click on the main listing page.
 However, there certainly is no indication that the booklet is not included.

I once ordered an Arkiv CD-R by mistake through Amazon MP. (Via Arkivmusic's Amazon storefront)  They did include a photo offset of the original booklet.