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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #240 on: October 27, 2021, 05:25:01 PM »
I treat them like podcasts. Put them on, change the tab, answer emails, clean the bathroom, organize the laundry. That's exactly what podcasts are for.

I do not like that every time Hurwitz is mentioned in any context, there has to be this long conversation about the guy himself. Reverting to the subject at hand - not quite convinced to buy Warner's CSS big box yet, since I have a whole lot of the music (much of it in Warner/Erato's performances). But the presentation is so gorgeous! And the historical rarities are enticing. Gotta sit down and really compare what's in the box and what's in my collection. And, yes, gotta watch the DH video for his customary detailed breakdown disc by disc.

Which painter are they showcasing on all the cover wallets this time?

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« Reply #241 on: October 27, 2021, 05:40:22 PM »
Which painter are they showcasing on all the cover wallets this time?

It looks like the artwork of Camille Pissarro on all of the sleeves.
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« Reply #242 on: October 27, 2021, 06:30:38 PM »
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I am missing piano music but I was just not sufficiently interested to get that voxBox with all? of it. I wonder if there are good 1-2 disc anthologies of St-S piano music.

There doesn't seem to be anything other than a few pieces in recital albums and a few recorded by Chamayou as filler on his recording of two of the concertos.  Burleson is doing/has done a complete traversal on Piano Classics. There's a ton of sheet music listed so it might be simpler to play it yourself.

The Vox box may in fact be your best option. Amazon US prices are cheap enough. It doesn't include the solo version of Africa, although Burleson does.

As to the music itself, that struck me as being perfect salon music.


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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #243 on: October 27, 2021, 06:34:42 PM »
It looks like the artwork of Camille Pissarro on all of the sleeves.
Thanks! Now I just gotta figure out the Bartok covers ;D

Burleson's piano series is hampered by very close acoustics, like a college practice room. I am a big fan of this late romantic salon repertoire, love Saint-Saens and Moszkowski and all those fluffball piano pieces, but Burleson comes across a little bit sober because the sound doesn't have a lot of color or dynamic range.
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #244 on: October 27, 2021, 06:46:42 PM »
Thanks! Now I just gotta figure out the Bartok covers ;D

I'll need to have a gander at those covers as I don't own that set either (I own a lot of recordings from it however).

From the looks of it, it appears that there's an admixture of different artists in the Bartok set. I can definitely tell that one of the paintings from the box set's pack shot is J. M. W. Turner:

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« Reply #245 on: October 27, 2021, 07:03:00 PM »
Oh yeah, that is a mixture of different people. Odd!

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« Reply #246 on: October 27, 2021, 07:23:29 PM »
There doesn't seem to be anything other than a few pieces in recital albums and a few recorded by Chamayou as filler on his recording of two of the concertos. 
I'm fairly sure I have this album. Salon music is accurate, but it's charming and fairly eclectic, as I recall.

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« Reply #247 on: October 30, 2021, 12:14:54 PM »
I'm fairly sure I have this album. Salon music is accurate, but it's charming and fairly eclectic, as I recall.
I definitely have it and agree.

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« Reply #248 on: December 16, 2021, 09:33:53 AM »
Strange that it should be me who mentions this here on GMG (as I’m not that much of a fan of the composer, and my first forays into the recent Warner box really didn’t generate in me an urge to explore his work in more depth —for the time being, at least  ;)—), but Camille Saint-Saëns in Algiers 100 years ago today.
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« Reply #249 on: January 09, 2022, 08:58:31 PM »
I just wanted to say that I've been enjoying the Saint-Saëns Warner box set immensely, but I've also been listening to some other recordings I already had in my collection and enjoying ever second of it. Maybe I'm not being critical enough but I honestly haven't heard a work from Saint-Saëns that I didn't at least enjoy on some level. A master craftsman, but it should be said there is emotion in his music and even though it doesn't bludgeon you over the head, it's still there and in such a beautifully clear way. I mentioned in the "2022 Exploration" thread that Saint-Saëns was going to be a composer I was going to do a deeper dive into and, so far, I haven't regretted any time spent with his music.
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #250 on: January 10, 2022, 10:08:03 AM »
I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this "Listening Guide" to Le Carnaval des animaux. Highly recommended if you love this work as much as I do.

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« Reply #251 on: January 10, 2022, 03:35:50 PM »
I just wanted to say that I've been enjoying the Saint-Saëns Warner box set immensely, but I've also been listening to some other recordings I already had in my collection and enjoying ever second of it. Maybe I'm not being critical enough but I honestly haven't heard a work from Saint-Saëns that I didn't at least enjoy on some level. A master craftsman, but it should be said there is emotion in his music and even though it doesn't bludgeon you over the head, it's still there and in such a beautifully clear way. I mentioned in the "2022 Exploration" thread that Saint-Saëns was going to be a composer I was going to do a deeper dive into and, so far, I haven't regretted any time spent with his music.

Saint-Saëns is like Martinu, where much of his output manages to entertain you and provide pleasure to you and you seem not to tire of!
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #252 on: January 10, 2022, 04:42:44 PM »
Saint-Saëns is like Martinu, where much of his output manages to entertain you and provide pleasure to you and you seem not to tire of!

I can certainly see this, Cesar. Hours and hours of pleasure. Poulenc is like this for me, too.
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« Reply #253 on: January 11, 2022, 02:00:58 AM »
I think Camille Saint-Saëns is one of those composers who have been a bit overlooked compared to the quality of their output. Whenever someone starts to listen to his works more seriously he/she is oftentimes up for a pleasant surprise.  :)

Camilla Saint-Saëns was probably the biggest musical prodigy of all times. I think he was an extremely intelligent individual and composing music for him was rather easy compared to other composers. I believe the lack of ambition on surface level in his music is due to this, but it is also deceptive. I think the "ambition" in his music is hidden deeper on higher levels of musical meaning, something that surely would have been interesting for a person with super-high intelligence. Mozart's (another prodigy) art is similar in this sense: Easy to listen to, but astonishingly sophisticated when analysed deeper.

The music of Saint-Saëns gives me this feeling of "really smart things" happening under the simple surface.
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #254 on: January 11, 2022, 09:26:04 AM »
I think Camilla Saint-Saëns is one of those composers who have been a bit overlooked compared to the quality of their output. Whenever someone starts to listen to his works more seriously he/she is oftentimes up for a pleasant surprise.  :)

Camilla Saint-Saëns was probably the biggest musical prodigy of all times. I think he was an extremely intelligent individual and composing music for him was rather easy compared to other composers. I believe the lack of ambition on surface level in his music is due to this, but it is also deceptive. I think the "ambition" in his music is hidden deeper on higher levels of musical meaning, something that surely would have been interesting for a person with super-high intelligence. Mozart's (another prodigy) art is similar in this sense: Easy to listen to, but astonishingly sophisticated when analysed deeper.

The music of Saint-Saëns gives me this feeling of "really smart things" happening under the simple surface.

Yes, I think the melodic, harmonic and rhythmic sophistication of Saint-Saëns' music doesn't always register for many listeners. They can't look beyond the surface sheen. It seems the most common reaction is "Oh, that's charming" or something along these lines.
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #255 on: January 12, 2022, 08:08:23 AM »
I'm not one to promote a David Hurwitz video, but I have to say he was spot-on with his remarks about Saint-Saëns, especially in the opening couple of minutes or so:

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I, too, believe he has been unfairly dismissed or ignored based some idiotic preconceived notions that actually have nothing to do with the music itself.
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« Reply #256 on: January 12, 2022, 07:28:14 PM »
A nice little video:

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I thought the comments he made that behind every innovative composer there stands a direct influence on them: behind Schoenberg, there's Wagner, behind Stravinsky there's Rimsky-Korsakov and behind Ravel there's Saint-Saëns.

To further the Ravel and Saint-Saëns connection, I found this article interesting:

https://www.wrti.org/wrti-spotlight/2017-05-06/poulenc-couldnt-believe-what-ravel-said-about-saint-saens
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Re: Camille Saint-Saëns
« Reply #257 on: January 14, 2022, 08:39:09 AM »
The mentions of Saint-Saens have made me curious enough to look at my not-too-small holdings of Saint-Saens recordings, and I find I have all of the significant works. One question is the rarely performed concerti. Every famous violinist records the third concerto and every famous cellist records the first. The other two violin concerti and the second cello concerto only seem to appear in "complete" recording projects. Has anyone heard these works?

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« Reply #258 on: January 14, 2022, 09:27:48 AM »
The mentions of Saint-Saens have made me curious enough to look at my not-too-small holdings of Saint-Saens recordings, and I find I have all of the significant works. One question is the rarely performed concerti. Every famous violinist records the third concerto and every famous cellist records the first. The other two violin concerti and the second cello concerto only seem to appear in "complete" recording projects. Has anyone heard these works?

I have. There's a reason why they play only the 3rd VC and the 1st CC.  :laugh:
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« Reply #259 on: January 14, 2022, 09:34:12 AM »
I think the 2nd cello concerto is underrated but the other violin concerti (one more like a concert piece) are very understandably way behind the b minor concerto. I'd probably say that the 3rd violin concerto is his most significant concerto overall.
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