Author Topic: The Kokkonen Borealis  (Read 7244 times)

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Re: Kuckoo for Kokkonen
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2015, 11:16:45 PM »
I have been enjoying Symphonies 3-4, 3 being the darker, 4 the Final Masterpiece. Most like 4 better, but I like 3 very much too. Also, the Cello Concerto is one of the very best of the mid-century vehicles, with lots of busy mystery and hot house flower garden perfumes- it may not be Szymanowski per se, but it has a heady, yet clean whiff about it. Durch einem Spiegel, for harpsichord and strings, is also quite powerful, dark and compelling.

All mature Kokkonen will satisfy that Nordic impulse, there's no need waffling over Kokkonen. He delivers Sibelius+Hindemith like no one else.

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Re: Kuckoo for Kokkonen
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2015, 12:29:30 AM »
I have been enjoying Symphonies 3-4, 3 being the darker, 4 the Final Masterpiece. Most like 4 better, but I like 3 very much too. Also, the Cello Concerto is one of the very best of the mid-century vehicles, with lots of busy mystery and hot house flower garden perfumes- it may not be Szymanowski per se, but it has a heady, yet clean whiff about it. Durch einem Spiegel, for harpsichord and strings, is also quite powerful, dark and compelling.

All mature Kokkonen will satisfy that Nordic impulse, there's no need waffling over Kokkonen. He delivers Sibelius+Hindemith like no one else.

Must listen to 3 again. Thanks for the recommendation. A while since I've listened to Kokkonen as have been focused a bit of Nordgren recently.
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Re: Kuckoo for Kokkonen
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 06:24:01 AM »
bump for Rautavaara...

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Re: Kokkonen's Krystal Kastle
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2016, 09:46:46 PM »
Kokkonen is brilliant. Sometimes I like his music more than Rautavaara's, sometimes I like Rautavaara's more............but he's got the best requiem of the two composers by far.

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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 01:04:05 PM »
Been listening to Symphony 4 (1971) - a terrific, searching and eloquent score and IMHO Kokkonen's masterpiece. As the booklet note says by the time he composed this 'compared with the twelve-tone period represented by the First Symphony [which I also like], Kokkonen's range of sororities had softened and mellowed'. I believe that Kokkonen was a composer of great uncompromising integrity. I especially have grown to like works of a more 'demanding' type (for me anyway) which do not lose sight of the human contact with their audience - from an emotional as well as intellectual level. Norgard's and Blomdahl's First symphonies also come into this category as far as I'm concerned. Kokkonen is a composer whose music I initially did not relate to but have found increasingly rewarding. There is a gritty integrity about Symphony No.4 and I find the resolution both eloquent and moving:


Great title to this thread from snyprrr by the way!
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2016, 01:09:41 PM »
'...durch einem Spiegel' is currently my favourite of his works

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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2016, 01:12:50 PM »
'...durch einem Spiegel' is currently my favourite of his works
Oh, it's on the same CD! Will listen after Symphony 4 finishes for the third time this evening!
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2016, 01:30:14 PM »
Haha, enjoy! I had the pleasure of seeing it live conducted by Olli Mustonen in 2014. My first introduction to the music of Kokkonen.

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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2016, 01:36:26 PM »
 Lucky you! It's a fine, unusual work and my attention was gripped throughout. The whole CD is an excellent introduction to Kokkonen.
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2016, 02:45:54 PM »
Lucky you! It's a fine, unusual work and my attention was gripped throughout. The whole CD is an excellent introduction to Kokkonen.

excellent!!


so surprised to see Kokkonen at the top... good for you van...


You could get the OTHER Ondine Symphonies, with Oramo, or get the nice set from BIS.


Yes, No.4 is so very good. I'm sure it's my fav post-Sibelius type work. And the Cello Concerto...


BUT, THERE'S NOT MUCH :(

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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2016, 08:51:57 PM »
Never heard of this guy, I'm listening to #4 right now!  :)

Let us know what you think of it.
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2016, 08:54:02 PM »
excellent!!


so surprised to see Kokkonen at the top... good for you van...


You could get the OTHER Ondine Symphonies, with Oramo, or get the nice set from BIS.


Yes, No.4 is so very good. I'm sure it's my fav post-Sibelius type work. And the Cello Concerto...


BUT, THERE'S NOT MUCH :(

I have several CDs of Kokkonen's music including, I think, three versions of Symphony 4. I'm appreciating the other symphonies too, especially No.1 at the moment. I agree with you about the importance of Symphony 4.
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2016, 11:19:36 AM »
I'm listening to it for a second time, I'm really enjoying it.
The symphony disperses a variety of moods very effectively and dynamically. It gets really intense in areas and beautiful in others.
This is great, thanks to snyprrr!  ;D
Delighted to hear that you enjoy it - it is a great work.
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2016, 11:23:16 AM »
Been listening to Symphony 4 (1971) - a terrific, searching and eloquent score and IMHO Kokkonen's masterpiece. As the booklet note says by the time he composed this 'compared with the twelve-tone period represented by the First Symphony [which I also like], Kokkonen's range of sororities had softened and mellowed'. I believe that Kokkonen was a composer of great uncompromising integrity. I especially have grown to like works of a more 'demanding' type (for me anyway) which do not lose sight of the human contact with their audience - from an emotional as well as intellectual level. Norgard's and Blomdahl's First symphonies also come into this category as far as I'm concerned. Kokkonen is a composer whose music I initially did not relate to but have found increasingly rewarding. There is a gritty integrity about Symphony No.4 and I find the resolution both eloquent and moving:


Great title to this thread from snyprrr by the way!
Kokkonen is another one of those composers who 'look like' their music.  8)
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2018, 09:50:28 AM »
Time for me to continue this interesting conversation (monologue) with myself  8)

I hadn't listened to any Kokkonen for a while but today I reaquainted myself with Symphony 4. I love its searching and visionary ending and the gritty and uncompromising nature of the work. He strikes me as a composer of great integrity. For me this is 'modern music' at its best.



I realise that I've repeated some of my earlier post but at least I'm consistent in my admiration. ;D
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2018, 10:34:16 AM »
Time for me to continue this interesting conversation (monologue) with myself  8)
It is, twice.  ;D
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2018, 10:37:22 AM »
I found this in my collection



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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2018, 10:59:05 AM »
OMG!  :o
Some responses from members other than myself - thank you. You are my heroes.
Baron Scarpia (Ghost of) I'd be interested to hear your views of that Finlandia CD, especially Symphony 4 (if it's included in the set).
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2018, 11:12:16 AM »
The Third is included, not the Fourth:
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Re: The Kokkonen Borealis
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2018, 11:20:47 AM »
The Third is included, not the Fourth:

Oh thanks Johan  :)
I like No.3 but 4 remains my favourite.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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