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How many of Bach's cantatas do you own?

I have them all and am very/reasonably familiar with them all.
4 (7.5%)
I have them all but am not yet familiar with them all / haven't heard them all.
16 (30.2%)
I don't own them all, but I have somewhere around 100 different cantatas.
6 (11.3%)
I have maybe around 50.
2 (3.8%)
I have a small handfull of cantatas.
13 (24.5%)
I don't own any of Bach's cantatas.
4 (7.5%)
I have all of them in multiple renditions
8 (15.1%)

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« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2022, 07:58:06 PM »
Thanks Poju !
Congratulations on completing the cycle!  And thanks for sharing your thoughts.


You're welcome! I needed something to take my mind off certain things...  0:)
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« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2022, 06:09:41 AM »
I received the Rilling boxser last Tuesday. I have been enjoying it, but the otherwise nice boxset has one serious brainfart to it:

The paper "envelopes" the CDs are in are GLUED shut!  :o I have to rip them open like I was opening letters from someone and there is all that glue ready to stick on the surface of the CDs + the paper envelopes suffer from this opening. So stupid and unnecessary! Who IMBECIL came up with this idea?  :P
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« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2022, 06:16:28 AM »
Yeah I hate that (glued paper sleeves).  I had a Bach organ set like that.  Very annoying.

Here is the offender!

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« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2022, 06:23:02 AM »
Yeah I hate that (glued paper sleeves).  I had a Bach organ set like that.  Very annoying.

Here is the offender!


How can they be that moronic?  :( Isn't it more expensive to glue them? This is my first "glued" box set and I hope it is also the last...
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« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2022, 08:16:39 AM »
At this point I have only started listening to the Rilling box, but I think I may even prever Suzuki in the early cantatas to Rilling!  :o

Not saying Rilling is bad with the early cantatas, but I think Suzuki is much better with the early cantatas than with the later ones. I am not decided with this and I need to listen to Rilling much more to be sure, but this is how I feel. With the later cantatas I seem to prefer Rilling with a huge margin.

This may explain why I started collecting the Suzuki set over 20 years ago. The first releases pleased me a lot and I never realized how the later releases weren't to my liking as much. Only when I started listening to the cantatas systematically couple of months ago, I started to notice that something is wrong. Hearing Rilling as an alternative made me understand, that something REALLY is wrong. Suzuki just is too "spiritual" and calm for me in the later (1723 onwards) cantatas and the prominent reverberation and HIP mentality of the recordings doesn't help.

Rilling's modern non-HIP style might be too modern for the early cantatas influence by middle-baroque style.

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« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2022, 11:21:28 AM »
JPC sells the 60-disc Harnoncourt/Leonhardt set of the sacred cantatas for 89€ (75 €outside of the EU). I have about 60% of it on double cd cases. The box set is space-saving and has 2 booklets (notes and work presentation), but no texts/translations (can be found online, I guess).

I ordered it. It will cost me a lot less than buying the missing discs, which are hard to track down anyway.




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« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2022, 02:33:46 PM »
Leusink eat your heart out!  A new, better played bargain box is here!  I remember when I paid much more for that set.  Though of course streaming exists now.

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Re: Bach Cantatas (Poll)
« Reply #107 on: July 03, 2022, 03:20:03 PM »
I received the Rilling boxser last Tuesday. I have been enjoying it, but the otherwise nice boxset has one serious brainfart to it:

The paper "envelopes" the CDs are in are GLUED shut!  :o I have to rip them open like I was opening letters from someone and there is all that glue ready to stick on the surface of the CDs + the paper envelopes suffer from this opening. So stupid and unnecessary! Who IMBECIL came up with this idea?  :P
Wow, I have that Rilling set and yep the CDs are in white envelopes, but not sealed. They just have an unsealed flap. Still it was only about $49 so I can't complain. I love Rilling's interpretations but sometimes as in BWV 140 (opening chorus waaaaaay too fast imo) I find things to nitpick. Another Rilling bargain set to get is the Bach Great Sacred Choral Works set of 10 CDs (I think I paid $15 for it on Amazon). His reading of the Magnificat (in D major but with the "Christmas interpolations") is one of my favorites.

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« Reply #108 on: July 03, 2022, 03:35:54 PM »
Wow, I have that Rilling set and yep the CDs are in white envelopes, but not sealed. They just have an unsealed flap. Still it was only about $49 so I can't complain. I love Rilling's interpretations but sometimes as in BWV 140 (opening chorus waaaaaay too fast imo) I find things to nitpick. Another Rilling bargain set to get is the Bach Great Sacred Choral Works set of 10 CDs (I think I paid $15 for it on Amazon). His reading of the Magnificat (in D major but with the "Christmas interpolations") is one of my favorites.

That was the same for me (the Rilling set), they must have changed a perfectly good solution in a reissue.  I agree his Magnificat is superb!  I think I had it on a separate cd.

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« Reply #109 on: July 03, 2022, 11:26:28 PM »
Rilling's BWV 20 is very impressive!  :o Love it! Suzuki is good, but Rilling takes it and makes it epic!   8)

Rilling isn't as good with BWV 21. Suzuki is better, because it is an early Weimar cantata. Rilling sounds "off" with the cantatas before Leipzig, but the cantatas from 1723 onwards sound exactly as I want!  :)

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« Reply #110 on: July 04, 2022, 06:12:49 AM »
Rilling's BWV 20 is very impressive!  :o Love it! Suzuki is good, but Rilling takes it and makes it epic!   8)

Rilling isn't as good with BWV 21. Suzuki is better, because it is an early Weimar cantata. Rilling sounds "off" with the cantatas before Leipzig, but the cantatas from 1723 onwards sound exactly as I want!  :)
I would disagree a little re: Rilling and BWV 21. I think in the Rilling interpretation the gradual modulation from despondency to joy in the work is much more obvious, although of course this is just my subjective impression. I love the treatment of the final chorus in the Rilling.

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« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2022, 09:01:04 AM »
I would disagree a little re: Rilling and BWV 21. I think in the Rilling interpretation the gradual modulation from despondency to joy in the work is much more obvious, although of course this is just my subjective impression. I love the treatment of the final chorus in the Rilling.

These are my initial impressions. I am a total Rilling newbie. First listen of BWV 21 did not blow me away the way BWV 20 did, gradual modulation from despondency to joy or not (whatever that means...)

With Suzuki it is the other way around: BWV 21 > BWV 20
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« Reply #112 on: July 04, 2022, 09:59:18 AM »
These are my initial impressions. I am a total Rilling newbie. First listen of BWV 21 did not blow me away the way BWV 20 did, gradual modulation from despondency to joy or not (whatever that means...)

With Suzuki it is the other way around: BWV 21 > BWV 20
De gustibus etc etc. "Modulation from despondency to joy" refers to the movement of BWV 21 as a whole. What the cantata is "about". If you don't know the site already, I'd suggest the late Julian Mincham's site jsbachcantatas.com. Not as an unassailable authority but as food for thought.
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Re: Bach Cantatas (Poll)
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2022, 10:31:39 AM »
How can they be that moronic?  :( Isn't it more expensive to glue them? This is my first "glued" box set and I hope it is also the last...

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1) Hänssler release of Tirimo's Beethoven Klavierwerke
2) Pourpre release (licenced fro MDG) of Bach concertos and violin/harpsichord sonatas by Musica Alta Ripa
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« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2022, 12:40:25 PM »
De gustibus etc etc. "Modulation from despondency to joy" refers to the movement of BWV 21 as a whole. What the cantata is "about". If you don't know the site already, I'd suggest the late Julian Mincham's site jsbachcantatas.com. Not as an unassailable authority but as food for thought.

I am not at that level in my expertise of the cantatas. I am not analysing what the cantatas are "about." I assume them to be "about" how great the God is. What else could church cantatas of early 18th century be about? As an atheist I just "ignore" the meaning and message and listen to the music as if it was instrumental music.
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« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2022, 12:43:19 PM »
I am not at that level in my expertise of the cantatas. I am not analysing what the cantatas are "about." I assume them to be "about" how great the God is. What else could church cantatas of early 18th century be about? As an atheist I just "ignore" the meaning and message and listen to the music as if it was instrumental music.
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