Good music is...?

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Good music is...?

a puzzle, a problem to solve. The more complex, the better.
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emotional, something that should move my heart or my feet.
9 (45%)
both.
7 (35%)
neither. Something else.
4 (20%)

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Todd

#1
July 02, 2013, 07:14:31 AM
Either both or neither.  It depends on the moment, I would say.  I'll vote both.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

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Opus106

#2
July 02, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
Define music first.
Regards,
Navneeth

Opus106

#3
July 02, 2013, 07:17:34 AM
Welcome aboard, n00b. This is the place to find out!
Regards,
Navneeth

North Star

#4
July 02, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
Both, but to varying degrees.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Karl Henning

#5
July 02, 2013, 07:33:20 AM
Good music is!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#7
July 02, 2013, 07:40:46 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 02, 2013, 07:37:40 AM
All of the above ...

. . . and then some.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Beorn

#8
July 02, 2013, 07:42:56 AM
controlled sound

a journey

Todd

#9
July 02, 2013, 07:53:10 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on July 02, 2013, 07:42:56 AMJourney



No, I'm sorry, Journey is not good music.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Beorn

#10
July 02, 2013, 07:59:18 AM
Quote from: Todd on July 02, 2013, 07:53:10 AM


No, I'm sorry, Journey is not good music.

But...but here I stand with open arms...  :'(

Todd

#11
July 02, 2013, 08:19:33 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on July 02, 2013, 07:59:18 AMBut...but here I stand with open arms...  :'(


After all these years it looks like we have to go our separate ways.  Who's crying now?
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Beorn

#12
July 02, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: Todd on July 02, 2013, 08:19:33 AM

After all these years it looks like we have to go our separate ways.  Who's crying now?

Actually the pre-Perry stuff is sort of cool.  :)

Karl Henning

#13
July 02, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
. . . paying anything to roll the dice just one more time . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

#14
July 02, 2013, 08:54:42 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 02, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
. . . paying anything to roll the dice just one more time . . . .
Sounds Cageian!
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ibanezmonster

#15
July 02, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
Both, usually.

mc ukrneal

#16
July 02, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
How is music a puzzle? And why is complexity better than simplicity? I don't understand the first one, which a number of you seem to be embracing. Perhaps someone can explain?
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Dancing Divertimentian

#17
July 02, 2013, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 02, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
How is music a puzzle? And why is complexity better than simplicity? I don't understand the first one, which a number of you seem to be embracing. Perhaps someone can explain?

I think Dave just means cerebral vs. emotional, as in Kurtág vs. Tchaikovsky. I don't know if this sort of simplification invokes stereotypes but I suppose it does invite conversation.

For me it's all emotional, even the Kurtágs.

Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Parsifal

#18
July 02, 2013, 11:28:23 AM Last Edit: July 02, 2013, 11:31:20 AM by Scarpia
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 02, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
How is music a puzzle? And why is complexity better than simplicity? I don't understand the first one, which a number of you seem to be embracing. Perhaps someone can explain?

For some, listening to a fugue by Bach and recognizing the various transformations and combinations of the theme can give intellectual pleasure.  The same listening to Mozart, Beethoven,  Brahms or Wagner and following the development of a theme.  This "solving of the puzzle" can be a pleasure in itself, or can enhance the pleasure that comes from an emotional reaction to the music. 

ibanezmonster

#19
July 02, 2013, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 02, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
How is music a puzzle? And why is complexity better than simplicity? I don't understand the first one, which a number of you seem to be embracing. Perhaps someone can explain?
Complexity = more depth and replay value
Pleasing = subjective

If two pieces are equally as pleasing on first listen, but one has more complexity, then it has an advantage because there is more to explore.
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