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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4820 on: November 12, 2020, 11:13:54 AM »
Wow!  What a great job Jeffrey! Now that you're semi-retired, have you spent any time pursuing your obvious artistic talents?

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Thank you PD. In answer to your question, not as much as I would like to. I'm kept fairly busy with my teaching and counselling work, as well as with the onerous domestic chores, not to mention reading the newspaper, playing with the cat and listening to my CDs  ;D
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

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« Reply #4821 on: November 12, 2020, 11:37:21 AM »
Thank you PD. In answer to your question, not as much as I would like to. I'm kept fairly busy with my teaching and counselling work, as well as with the onerous domestic chores, not to mention reading the newspaper, playing with the cat and listening to my CDs  ;D
You've the order a bit off there Jeffrey.  :D

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4822 on: November 12, 2020, 11:41:40 AM »
You've the order a bit off there Jeffrey.  :D

Yes, that's quite true PD! He is the boss in this family!
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« Reply #4823 on: November 12, 2020, 11:47:57 AM »
Yes, that's quite true PD! He is the boss in this family!
Does this happen often?


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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4824 on: November 12, 2020, 12:09:25 PM »
Does this happen often?



Lovely cartoon.

Yes, and he contributes lines like 'xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' when I'm trying to type a document and he stands right on the keyboard. I once had a cat who jumped on my turntable and went whizzing round with the LP.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4825 on: November 12, 2020, 12:38:23 PM »
I'm feeling a bit guilty about (sort-of) derailing this thread to talk about myself (not that this has ever been a great problem for me  8)) so, I thought that I'd just like to say how much I am looking forward to receiving these two discs, from my nearest and dearest, for Christmas:

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

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« Reply #4826 on: November 12, 2020, 12:51:15 PM »
I'm feeling a bit guilty about (sort-of) derailing this thread to talk about myself (not that this has ever been a great problem for me  8)) so, I thought that I'd just like to say how much I am looking forward to receiving these two discs, from my nearest and dearest, for Christmas:
Not to worry...from my end anyway.   :)

Speaking of Vaughan Williams and CDs, here's a thought:  1) add up about how much you spend say every three months on CDs and/or vinyl, 2) set aside half to two-thirds of that, and I expect you could could make a deposit on that Vaughan Williams bust in way less time than you would think!  ;)

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4827 on: November 12, 2020, 12:55:56 PM »
Ah, so I’ll have to wait until Christmas to get your opinion of it. Damn, that’s just not fair! ;D

You've a tough row to hoe, friend 8)
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4828 on: November 12, 2020, 12:57:28 PM »
:laugh:  :) Has this happened often Jeffrey?

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Bring that hammer DOWN, PD!
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« Reply #4829 on: November 12, 2020, 02:33:36 PM »
I found it still in its original clay in the attic (I remember that my Art teacher painted it with hardener). However, it would have fallen to bits sooner or later as it is not far off 50 years old. So, when I retired from full-time teaching in 2015 for once in my life I had a bit of money from the Teacher's Pension so, I found someone who could cast it in 'cold-cast bronze' (like fibre-glass) and now it is in the living room - a gift from my 17 year old self  :)


Wow, very impressive, vandermolen, bravo!

To me, the David McFall bust gives him the appearance of some august Roman emperor. I'm not sure I ever quite envision him like that.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4830 on: November 12, 2020, 02:45:05 PM »
"My chief virtue (or if you like, defect) has been a tireless lifelong search for an original, individual musical idiom. I detest imitation, I detest hackneyed devices.” - Sergei Prokofiev

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4831 on: November 12, 2020, 03:00:09 PM »
Not to worry...from my end anyway.   :)

Speaking of Vaughan Williams and CDs, here's a thought:  1) add up about how much you spend say every three months on CDs and/or vinyl, 2) set aside half to two-thirds of that, and I expect you could could make a deposit on that Vaughan Williams bust in way less time than you would think!  ;)

PD
And, I should add as it might have been confusing--which I didn't mean it to be, multiply that by four and save that amount....or, if you spend more during certain times of the year, then go by that figure.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4832 on: November 13, 2020, 11:05:19 AM »
Not to worry...from my end anyway.   :)

Speaking of Vaughan Williams and CDs, here's a thought:  1) add up about how much you spend say every three months on CDs and/or vinyl, 2) set aside half to two-thirds of that, and I expect you could could make a deposit on that Vaughan Williams bust in way less time than you would think!  ;)

PD

Depressingly, you're probably right PD.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4833 on: November 13, 2020, 11:07:32 AM »
Wow, very impressive, vandermolen, bravo!

To me, the David McFall bust gives him the appearance of some august Roman emperor. I'm not sure I ever quite envision him like that.

Thank you! Michael Kennedy, VW's friend and biographer thought is a good likeness (unlike the Epstein which he thought told us nothing about the composer). I agree that the McFall bust is far superior. I'll try to find some images.

OK - images of VW busts by McFall (top two) and Epstein and VW with Epstein. VW and Epstein got on well and VW invited Epstein to see him conduct Bach's 'St Matthew Passion'. In Epstein's biography there is a nice account of his sessions with VW. Two great artists although, much as I like Epstein's work I don't think much of his head of Vaughan Williams:
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4834 on: November 13, 2020, 12:03:27 PM »
Thank you! Michael Kennedy, VW's friend and biographer thought is a good likeness (unlike the Epstein which he thought told us nothing about the composer). I agree that the McFall bust is far superior. I'll try to find some images.

OK - images of VW busts by McFall (top two) and Epstein and VW with Epstein. VW and Epstein got on well and VW invited Epstein to see him conduct Bach's 'St Matthew Passion'. In Epstein's biography there is a nice account of his sessions with VW. Two great artists although, much as I like Epstein's work I don't think much of his head of Vaughan Williams:
One of these two would make a fine statue:





PD

EDIT:  I had typed some comments earlier but missed copying them when I was having trouble posting earlier.  Like you, Jeffrey, and Iota, the Epstein one (to me anyway) doesn't look much like VW.  The only thing that I have mixed feelings about re the McFall ones, is that Vaughan Williams is looking down (which makes sense as at the time he was busy composing).
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4835 on: November 13, 2020, 02:52:33 PM »
Thank you! Michael Kennedy, VW's friend and biographer thought is a good likeness (unlike the Epstein which he thought told us nothing about the composer). I agree that the McFall bust is far superior. I'll try to find some images.

OK - images of VW busts by McFall (top two) and Epstein and VW with Epstein. VW and Epstein got on well and VW invited Epstein to see him conduct Bach's 'St Matthew Passion'. In Epstein's biography there is a nice account of his sessions with VW. Two great artists although, much as I like Epstein's work I don't think much of his head of Vaughan Williams:

Ah thanks, yes those McFall busts are indeed striking. VW seems particularly 'present' in the top one in that photo, to my eyes anyway.

I completely agree about the Epstein, I'd never have recognised VW from it without the context. And it doesn't even seem to highlight or abstract some aspect of him, it just seems like an entirely different person.


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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4836 on: November 14, 2020, 01:47:30 AM »
His mouth is a recognisable feature of RVW. Get that right and you are nearly there.

I think - and I'm not kidding! The statue below has the "mouth" as does McFall. Epstein misses it.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4837 on: November 14, 2020, 03:44:56 AM »
Speaking of Vaughan Williams and CDs, here's a thought:  1) add up about how much you spend say every three months on CDs and/or vinyl, 2) set aside half to two-thirds of that, and I expect you could could make a deposit on that Vaughan Williams bust in way less time than you would think!  ;)

Or at least you could afford some special-de-luxe cat food.    Prrrr?

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4838 on: November 14, 2020, 04:53:27 AM »
His mouth is a recognisable feature of RVW. Get that right and you are nearly there.

I think - and I'm not kidding! The statue below has the "mouth" as does McFall. Epstein misses it.
Irons,

You know, no kidding but I was thinking the exact same thing regarding his mouth!  ;D

Or at least you could afford some special-de-luxe cat food.    Prrrr?
Careful Aukhawk, or Jeffrey will start glaring at his cat and threaten to give him away!  ;)

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4839 on: November 14, 2020, 10:08:12 AM »
One of these two would make a fine statue:





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EDIT:  I had typed some comments earlier but missed copying them when I was having trouble posting earlier.  Like you, Jeffrey, and Iota, the Epstein one (to me anyway) doesn't look much like VW.  The only thing that I have mixed feelings about re the McFall ones, is that Vaughan Williams is looking down (which makes sense as at the time he was busy composing).
Yes, VW with Foxy would make a great sculpture. Foxy was apparently his favourite cat and he does indeed look like a fox.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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