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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5160 on: October 10, 2021, 11:42:43 PM »
Found on Twitter.

Great photo. RVW wrote his Tuba Concerto for a Philip Catelinet apparently. He is likely to be the chap in the photo.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5161 on: October 11, 2021, 12:21:08 AM »
That is a great photo.

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Can the narrated parts be skipped in this recording? If yes, I may consider it.

Pretty much**.  That is they are clear of music so can be edited out.  I've done that.  They aren't tracked though.  There is one narration over a sustained orchestral pedal point - which does actually occur in one or two other recordings - but cutting that is not really damaging musically, it just makes for a slightly duff music edit that is gone in an instant.
Other than that it's a fine version - but then, of the several recordings of the Antartica that I have, I really like them all.  The other point of interest for me when comparing is whether the organ is 'live' or (as I suspect is nearly always the case) overdubbed.

** edit to add to the above - I've just checked it and it's perhaps a little more problematic than I remembered.  In the all-important middle movement there are two narrator interventions within the movement (ie, not simply before the start) - and it is the 2nd of these which overlays the (extended) orchestral pedal-point crescendo immediately before the final huge climax.  So it does make a nasty cut at a most important musical moment - but still, in tne end it is just an instantaneous gltch.  If you were listening on vinyl and had a click at that moment you'd think nothing of it - it's no worse than that really.  The other intervention is clear of music, as is a similar intervention in the 4th movement.

The texts (diary extracts) are quite interesting - especially the very extended (over 2 minutes) narration before the 2nd (penguins) movement, and delivered in a light, non-portentous manner.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5162 on: October 11, 2021, 02:57:11 AM »
Found on Twitter.
Cool!  Is that Philip Catelinet?

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Great photo. RVW wrote his Tuba Concerto for a Philip Catelinet apparently. He is likely to be the chap in the photo.

Great photo!
I did some digging and yes that is P.C. there.  Whilst doing that, I found this neat website with a wonderful story of how he came to premiere the work, etc.  Had a good laugh re the story of Crispin too.

http://philipcatelinet.com/biography/the-truth-about-the-vaughan-williams-tuba-concerto-by-philip-catelinet-itea-journal-volume-14-number-2-november-1986/

Lovely recounting by him.  :)

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5163 on: October 11, 2021, 12:13:29 PM »
Cool!  Is that Philip Catelinet?

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I did some digging and yes that is P.C. there.  Whilst doing that, I found this neat website with a wonderful story of how he came to premiere the work, etc.  Had a good laugh re the story of Crispin too.

http://philipcatelinet.com/biography/the-truth-about-the-vaughan-williams-tuba-concerto-by-philip-catelinet-itea-journal-volume-14-number-2-november-1986/

Lovely recounting by him.  :)

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A most interesting and charming article PD - thanks for posting it.
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« Reply #5164 on: October 11, 2021, 12:22:23 PM »
A most interesting and charming article PD - thanks for posting it.
Glad that you enjoyed it Jeffrey!  I found it to be quite interesting how he initially got the job playing the tuba and also his amount of rehearsal/preparedness with the orchestra beforehand and how the various performances went, etc., and his comments about how he found Vaughan Williams to be as a person (from what interactions that he had with him over the years and notes that he had received from him)...lovely!

Wish that I could have seen Crispin "with" tuba and Vaughan Williams reaction....priceless I bet!  :)

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« Reply #5165 on: October 11, 2021, 12:32:34 PM »
Glad that you enjoyed it Jeffrey!  I found it to be quite interesting how he initially got the job playing the tuba and also his amount of rehearsal/preparedness with the orchestra beforehand and how the various performances went, etc., and his comments about how he found Vaughan Williams to be as a person (from what interactions that he had with him over the years and notes that he had received from him)...lovely!

Wish that I could have seen Crispin "with" tuba and Vaughan Williams reaction....priceless I bet!  :)

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I hope that Crispin found his way out and was not 'expelled' during the concert!
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« Reply #5166 on: October 11, 2021, 12:55:17 PM »
I hope that Crispin found his way out and was not 'expelled' during the concert!
I'm sure that he did otherwise we would have heard a very different story regarding the destruction of a trombone trying to get him out or an even worse ending [God forbid!]!   :'(  Have you heard/read anything otherwise?  Apparently, Ursula has written about it:  "Mrs. Vaughan Williams quotes this story in her volume R.W.V., Oxford University Press, 1964."  Do you have this book Jeffrey?  I'd be very curious as to what she wrote.

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« Reply #5167 on: October 11, 2021, 01:06:14 PM »
I'm sure that he did otherwise we would have heard a very different story regarding the destruction of a trombone trying to get him out or an even worse ending [God forbid!]!   :'(  Have you heard/read anything otherwise?  Apparently, Ursula has written about it:  "Mrs. Vaughan Williams quotes this story in her volume R.W.V., Oxford University Press, 1964."  Do you have this book Jeffrey?  I'd be very curious as to what she wrote.

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Yes, I have the book PD. I know that the pictorial biography features a photo of Crispin and Friskin.
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« Reply #5168 on: October 11, 2021, 01:16:50 PM »
Yes, I have the book PD. I know that the pictorial biography features a photo of Crispin and Friskin.
Oh, so it's the pictorial bio that he's referring to.  Any comments therein?

Is Friskin a sibling?  And I trust that no kittens were harmed during the performance rehearsals?

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« Reply #5169 on: October 11, 2021, 01:30:20 PM »
Oh, so it's the pictorial bio that he's referring to.  Any comments therein?

Is Friskin a sibling?  And I trust that no kittens were harmed during the performance rehearsals?

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I'm sure that the kittens were fine PD! Yes, Friskin was a sibling - they look identical. I'll try to find a photo.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5170 on: October 11, 2021, 01:39:37 PM »
Glad that you enjoyed it Jeffrey!  I found it to be quite interesting how he initially got the job playing the tuba and also his amount of rehearsal/preparedness with the orchestra beforehand and how the various performances went, etc., and his comments about how he found Vaughan Williams to be as a person (from what interactions that he had with him over the years and notes that he had received from him)...lovely!

Wish that I could have seen Crispin "with" tuba and Vaughan Williams reaction....priceless I bet!  :)

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« Reply #5171 on: October 11, 2021, 01:48:30 PM »
Oh, so it's the pictorial bio that he's referring to.  Any comments therein?

Is Friskin a sibling?  And I trust that no kittens were harmed during the performance rehearsals?

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Here you go PD
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #5172 on: October 11, 2021, 03:13:53 PM »
VW's 149th Birthday today (12th October). Next year there will no doubt be many commemorative events. I just received the RVW Society Journal and was sad to note the death of James Day (aged 93) who wrote a famous biography of Vaughan Williams in the Master Musicians series:
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« Reply #5173 on: October 11, 2021, 08:17:49 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, Jeffrey. I'll have to have a Vaughan Williams-a-thon.
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« Reply #5174 on: October 11, 2021, 10:02:48 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, Jeffrey. I'll have to have a Vaughan Williams-a-thon.
Definitely John!  :)
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« Reply #5175 on: October 12, 2021, 01:15:27 AM »
Happy 149th birthday RVW (born 12/10/1872)
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« Reply #5177 on: October 12, 2021, 04:55:32 AM »
Here you go PD

Thanks for the image....cute!
Happy 149th birthday RVW (born 12/10/1872)

Happy birthday RVW!   :)

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« Reply #5178 on: October 12, 2021, 06:23:59 AM »
Yes, a Happy Birthday is in order for Ralph!

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« Reply #5179 on: October 12, 2021, 08:57:22 AM »
Yes, a Happy Birthday is in order for Ralph!


Great photo!
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