6 favorite composers with 6-letter first names

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Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

springrite

Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2015, 02:06:23 AM
Ummm, not quite. Bartók is actually his last name. Would you accept Mozart Wolfgang or Brahms Johannes as well?  :D

No, it was his first name and, just like in Chinese, the family name comes first.



Gustav Mahler
Morton Feldman
Ludwig v. Beethoven
Johann S. Bach
Robert Schumann
Edmund Rubbra
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

vandermolen

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Quote from: springrite on December 15, 2015, 02:25:49 AM
No, it was his first name and, just like in Chinese, the family name comes first.



Gustav Mahler
Morton Feldman
Ludwig v. Beethoven
Johann S. Bach
Robert Schumann
Edmund Rubbra
Another Rubbra fan.  :)
Which is your favourite Rubbra symphony Paul? I like them all but nos 7,4,5 and 8 are probably my favourites.
Jeffrey
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2015, 02:25:26 AM
6-letter first names? ???
I'm sorry, I saw examples like Bela Bartok and I thought they were right....
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

ritter

Quote from: karlhenning on December 15, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a substitution:

Thomas Tallis
Hector Berlioz
Bartók Béla
Arnold Schoenberg
Сергей Сергеевич Прокофьев
Morton Feldman

Karl, how could you!  ??? Poor Claude...  :(

Florestan

Quote from: springrite on December 15, 2015, 02:25:49 AM
No, it was his first name and, just like in Chinese, the family name comes first.

I don´t want to get into a polemic, but...

Merriam-Webster´s defintion of first name: the name that stands first in one's full name. Seems it might apply to Bartok, but two lines below they offer the following example:

the parents still haven't picked a first name for the baby.

This does not apply anymore, because one cannot say "the parents have eventually picked Bartok as a first name for the baby".

Furthermore, they list the following synonims: Christian name, forename, given name, prename. Well, Bartok was not his Christian name, forename, given name, prename --- it was his last name.

Merriam-Webster´s definition of last name: surname, defined as the name that is shared by the people in a family. Their example: His first name is John and his last name is Smith. In the case at hand: his first name is Bela and his last name is Bartok.

First and last in this context obviously refer to the English ordering of names, ie John Smith. Replace them with given name and surname and any confusion dissappears. In the ordering Smith John, Smith is still the last name / surname and John still the first name / given name.

Sorry for coming up a bit pedantic or contrarian.  :D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

springrite

Quote from: vandermolen on December 15, 2015, 02:27:38 AM
Another Rubbra fan.  :)
Which is your favourite Rubbra symphony Paul? I like them all but nos 7,4,5 and 8 are probably my favourites.
Jeffrey

My favourites are 7, 3 and 5. Actually I do love them all!
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

vandermolen

Quote from: springrite on December 15, 2015, 02:56:10 AM
My favourites are 7, 3 and 5. Actually I do love them all!
Me too. Although I don't know No.3 so well so must listen to it again. I think that 4 is one of the finest, both for the beautiful opening and inspiriting ending.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2015, 02:06:23 AM
Ummm, not quite. Bartók is actually his last name.

It's his family name, and Hungarian practice is to list the family name first;  therefore, it is his first name.

:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2015, 02:43:20 AM
Merriam-Webster´s defintion of first name: the name that stands first in one's full name.

Merriam-Webster's is an English dictionary, so yes, of course, the definition reflects English-language practice.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on December 15, 2015, 03:45:45 AM
Merriam-Webster's is an English dictionary, so yes, of course, the definition reflects English-language practice.

Using surname and given name instead would avoid any misunderstanding.  :D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on December 15, 2015, 03:44:09 AM
Hungarian practice is to list the family name first

I know. I have even been told that sometimes ago in Budapest you could have bought books authored by Shakespeare Vilmos or Baudelaire Karoly.  :D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

springrite

Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2015, 02:43:20 AM
I don´t want to get into a polemic, but...

Merriam-Webster´s defintion of first name: the name that stands first in one's full name. Seems it might apply to Bartok, but two lines below they offer the following example:

the parents still haven't picked a first name for the baby.

This does not apply anymore, because one cannot say "the parents have eventually picked Bartok as a first name for the baby".

Furthermore, they list the following synonims: Christian name, forename, given name, prename. Well, Bartok was not his Christian name, forename, given name, prename --- it was his last name.

Merriam-Webster´s definition of last name: surname, defined as the name that is shared by the people in a family. Their example: His first name is John and his last name is Smith. In the case at hand: his first name is Bela and his last name is Bartok.

First and last in this context obviously refer to the English ordering of names, ie John Smith. Replace them with given name and surname and any confusion dissappears. In the ordering Smith John, Smith is still the last name / surname and John still the first name / given name.

Sorry for coming up a bit pedantic or contrarian.  :D

Yes, you are right. I was aware of that and was having fun with it.  :P

It is interesting that Chinese usually switch their first/last names when they enter the US (immigrate or go to school). But the famous Chinese (Yao Ming, Li Na, Tan Dun) kept their Chinese name as is, surname first.

Lang Lang is another matter.  :P
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy