Also Sprach Zarathustra recommendations?

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mszczuj

I was never looking for the best recording as I have got Kempe who - for me - managed to revail all the intelectual and emotional context of this philosopohical treatise in the form of the waltz.

mahler10th

Quote from: The new erato on September 22, 2013, 03:04:49 AM
Portsmouth Sinfonia has an interesting one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6piDRKOwh88
Like no other version of any Strauss piece, this one gets tears streaming down my face.

:D :D  I had a listen.  The articulation and phrasing is immaculate, this should be in everyones collection. 

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: mszczuj on September 23, 2013, 09:43:05 PM
I was never looking for the best recording as I have got Kempe who - for me - managed to revail all the intelectual and emotional context of this philosopohical treatise in the form of the waltz.

In the forum's blind comparison Kempe came in 15th of 18. "Most felt that this recording was devoid of any emotion, and too hesitant and understated." That's okay...my favorite (Sinopoli) came in dead last  :D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Brahmsian

Quote from: Scots John on September 24, 2013, 03:24:20 AM
:D :D  I had a listen.  The articulation and phrasing is immaculate, this should be in everyones collection.

John, +1 for the Brahms and shades!!!  Love it!  ;D

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 24, 2013, 03:34:28 AM
In the forum's blind comparison Kempe came in 15th of 18. "Most felt that this recording was devoid of any emotion, and too hesitant and understated." That's okay...my favorite (Sinopoli) came in dead last  :D

Sarge

Ha! I remember that like it was yesterday, you and I both love the Sinopoli, I was shocked by its failure, or rather the forum's failure to find its beauty  ;)

Karl Henning

I find Sinopoli so simpatico with the 2nd Viennese school, I am keen to give this Zarathustra a try.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 24, 2013, 04:24:07 AM
Ha! I remember that like it was yesterday, you and I both love the Sinopoli, I was shocked by its failure, or rather the forum's failure to find its beauty  ;)

I wish M would have been here. He'd have done some serious ass-kicking after that result  :D

But the comparison was most interesting, and enlightening. I doubt I would have discovered Järvi and Zinman had I not participated.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on September 24, 2013, 04:48:21 AM
I find Sinopoli so simpatico with the 2nd Viennese school, I am keen to give this Zarathustra a try.

The consensus was "plodding, reserved and bland'" so enter at your own risk  ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

The new erato

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 24, 2013, 05:26:02 AM
The consensus was "plodding, reserved and bland'" so enter at your own risk  ;)

Sarge
Try the Portsmouth Sinfonia I posted, they are plodding but certainly not reserved.

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: The new erato on September 24, 2013, 05:28:06 AM
Try the Portsmouth Sinfonia I posted, they are plodding but certainly not reserved.

Yeah, yeah...we know that's your favorite Zarathustra. Now, just go away  :D ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

The new erato

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 24, 2013, 05:34:18 AM
Yeah, yeah...we know that's your favorite Zarathustra. Now, just go away  :D ;)

Sarge
No it's far worse, it's Kempe.

Cato

Quote from: Daverz on September 21, 2013, 06:54:31 PM
Mehta/LAPO was the recording that helped me love the work. I'd never gotten much past the opening before that.

Yes, I can understand that!  Many hit that next section and wonder: "Huh?" 

Agreed that you cannot go wrong with von Karajan.

Concerning Koussevitzky I found a 1935 recording: mistakenly placed under "Audiobooks"   ???

http://www.amazon.com/Serge-Koussevitzky-R-Strauss-Prokofiev-Copland/dp/B002O48UWA/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1380031181&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=zarathustra+koussevitzky
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Todd

Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 22, 2013, 03:00:07 AM
Here's my favorite Zarathustra:
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Generally speaking, I don't really care for Also Sprach Zarathustra, but this recording is easily the best one I've heard and one that I do enjoy.  The filler is great, too.  It's possibly the best non-opera Strauss recording I own.
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Karl Henning

I know you spoke casually, but the Four Last Songs ain't filler  ;)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Daverz

Quote from: karlhenning on September 24, 2013, 06:56:46 AM
I know you spoke casually, but the Four Last Songs ain't filler  ;)

Depends on what Konditerei you go to.

Todd

Quote from: karlhenning on September 24, 2013, 06:56:46 AMI know you spoke casually, but the Four Last Songs ain't filler



That's actually the reason I got the disc.  It's a damn good reason to get the disc.  I think I paid $6-$7, shipping included.  Bargain does not seem a good enough word . . .
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Panem et Artificialis Intelligentia

mszczuj

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 24, 2013, 03:34:28 AM
In the forum's blind comparison Kempe came in 15th of 18. "Most felt that this recording was devoid of any emotion, and too hesitant and understated." That's okay...my favorite (Sinopoli) came in dead last  :D

We use completely different mind and ears in blind listening. I know it as I used to play in TV quiz shows on classical music for years.

mszczuj

#38
By the way, which fragment was tested in the first round of the blind comparison?

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Todd on September 24, 2013, 07:02:46 AM


That's actually the reason I got the disc.  It's a damn good reason to get the disc.  I think I paid $6-$7, shipping included.  Bargain does not seem a good enough word . . .
It's $4.19 at B&N in their current sale (free shipping if member or over $25). Practically giving it away! :)
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