Need opinions: John Cage's 4:33

[amw]

Does anyone have access to a facsimile of the score?

There are a couple of versions of it. I've seen one where each movement is simply marked "Tacet" and one where the rests are actually written out, I don't know which came first.

Neither of them tell the pianist to open/close the lid iirc, that's something Tudor came up with, I think.

[Dax]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4′33″

Has information regarding the various scores

[Karl Henning]

I have seen the score a while ago, and I believe it just has three movements that just says "Tacet".  I could be wrong though.

That's the version I have seen. (Fun to have textual questions on this piece, eh?)

[petrarch]

Well, I for one, will be exploring John Cage's music.  Not Stockhausen's.

No one has ever twisted my arm to listen to Cage's music, and now I might be ready to explore it.  Plus, I really like Octave's avatar! 

On Stockhausen, his music is the least I am willing to explore (of all composers), and it is all because of James, and his incessant trying to cram Stockhausen continuously, day after day after day, down our throats.  It ain't working James, very few people want to explore his music, because of your shitty attitude, and your constant need to tear down Cage....for what??

Take it from me for what you will, but I enjoy them both greatly, James notwithstanding (I was listening to Cage and Stockhausen for some two decades before James "saw the light"). I can say that Stockhausen appeals to a different sort of listening and part of the brain. I would venture to say that despite the tremendous value and richness of Stockhausen's oeuvre, truly an ear-opener, Cage's is, in its simplicity, a mind-opener.

[petrarch]

There are a couple of versions of it. I've seen one where each movement is simply marked "Tacet" and one where the rests are actually written out, I don't know which came first.

Neither of them tell the pianist to open/close the lid iirc, that's something Tudor came up with, I think.

Correct on both counts.

[petrarch]

I highly doubt this, as I'm almost double your age, I know both well enough. Though I have come into the later works of Stockhausen only since his death. You are certainly correct about Stockhausen .. though of course truly "opening the ears" does open or trigger the mind, widen perception & sensitivity .. but with Cage; "mind-eraser" would be a more apt description of his thing, and no .. I'm not talking about the drink or the roller coaster. More like a form of amnesia or disassociation as far as thoughful composition is concerned rendering things invalid.

Get over it; some people will see more into some other composers' works than you do. But I appreciate you giving the benefit of the doubt.

[Gurn Blanston]

I think the OP has all the opinions he needs. Of all the things in the world to NOT get worked up about.

In future, I think it would be prudent if people would avoid starting new threads on this topic, that way all the eccentric stuff will be concentrated in one spot, where it won't require reiteration.

GB