Schoenberg's Sheen

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ritter

#1100
April 11, 2025, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: DaveF on April 11, 2025, 06:00:04 AMI've already enthused about this on the WAYLT thread, but am thrilled to see that this:



has at last, 50 years on, appeared on CD, both in here:

and here:


I've never heard a better Op.9 - not just brilliantly played by the mid-70s Sinfonietta, but every detail of tempo and phrasing exactly & triumphantly right.
Quote from: DaveF on April 11, 2025, 10:05:38 PMOddly enough, if I click on no.2, it actually shrinks.  But it's the same performers in all 3 (since they're the same performances).
You set the size of each picture in your post to "width=250". When one clicks on it, it returns to its original size (be it larger —as in images 1 and 3– or smaller —2–).
 « Et, ô ces voix d'enfants chantant dans la coupole! » 

San Antone

#1101
April 12, 2025, 03:01:06 AM
Quote from: DaveF on April 11, 2025, 10:05:38 PMOddly enough, if I click on no.2, it actually shrinks.  But it's the same performers in all 3 (since they're the same performances).

I don't say this as an instruction, but just my preference - I try to always (unless I'm in a hurry) to write in the post the composer, work, and performers since that way if someone wishes to find the recording for either purchase or listening on a streaming serivce they need only to copy and paste the info into the search bar wherever they go.

JBS

#1102
April 20, 2025, 03:19:20 PM Last Edit: April 20, 2025, 03:21:59 PM by JBS
Question about this set:


Does it contain texts/librettos?

I have this set

But the actual contents seem the same, so if there are texts in the new one, I don't need it.

(Are the contents the same? There are 13 CDs in the newer set versus 11 in the old, but the difference seems to simply result from the newer set being in original jackets format, unlike the old one. The only exception would be the inclusion of Berg's Lyric Suite.)

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Mandryka

#1103
October 25, 2025, 02:01:39 PM Last Edit: December 15, 2025, 01:37:44 PM by Mandryka
Quote from: Mandryka on October 25, 2025, 07:37:01 AM

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/19/000213491.pdf

Interesting because the music can be hard to get off the page, I think.

On the basis of the way they play the op 30 quartet - this has a lot of (fine) character. They can make sense of it very well.

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Symphonic Addict

#1104
March 30, 2026, 12:48:39 PM
This weekend I attended a concert of my local orchestra performing Schönberg's orchestration of Brahms' Piano Quartet No. 1. This surely has to be one of the most original and brilliant orchestrations of all time, where at the same time it goes with precision and also goes bonkers (4th movement) for the unique and disruptive touch proper of a revolutionary like Arnold. It also made me realize that this work has one of the best and most satisfying endings in any work I know, it simply is perfect and exhilarating. In fact, Brahms was rather good at endings for a large part.

The result of the work of a genius arranged by another genius mustn't but deliver a mind-blowing creation like in this specific case.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Karl Henning

#1105
March 30, 2026, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 30, 2026, 12:48:39 PMThis weekend I attended a concert of my local orchestra performing Schönberg's orchestration of Brahms' Piano Quartet No. 1. This surely has to be one of the most original and brilliant orchestrations of all time, where at the same time it goes with precision and also goes bonkers (4th movement) for the unique and disruptive touch proper of a revolutionary like Arnold. It also made me realize that this work has one of the best and most satisfying endings in any work I know, it simply is perfect and exhilarating. In fact, Brahms was rather good at endings for a large part.

The result of the work of a genius arranged by another genius mustn't but deliver a mind-blowing creation like in this specific case.
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brewski

#1106
March 30, 2026, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 30, 2026, 12:48:39 PMThis weekend I attended a concert of my local orchestra performing Schönberg's orchestration of Brahms' Piano Quartet No. 1. This surely has to be one of the most original and brilliant orchestrations of all time, where at the same time it goes with precision and also goes bonkers (4th movement) for the unique and disruptive touch proper of a revolutionary like Arnold. It also made me realize that this work has one of the best and most satisfying endings in any work I know, it simply is perfect and exhilarating. In fact, Brahms was rather good at endings for a large part.

The result of the work of a genius arranged by another genius mustn't but deliver a mind-blowing creation like in this specific case.

Word.  8)
"I set down a beautiful chord on paper—and suddenly it rusts."
—Alfred Schnittke (1934-1998)

Mirror Image

#1107
March 30, 2026, 03:39:11 PM Last Edit: March 31, 2026, 05:44:28 PM by Mirror Image
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 30, 2026, 12:48:39 PMThis weekend I attended a concert of my local orchestra performing Schönberg's orchestration of Brahms' Piano Quartet No. 1. This surely has to be one of the most original and brilliant orchestrations of all time, where at the same time it goes with precision and also goes bonkers (4th movement) for the unique and disruptive touch proper of a revolutionary like Arnold. It also made me realize that this work has one of the best and most satisfying endings in any work I know, it simply is perfect and exhilarating. In fact, Brahms was rather good at endings for a large part.

The result of the work of a genius arranged by another genius mustn't but deliver a mind-blowing creation like in this specific case.

Now if we can just get you listen to Erwartung. ;D This is a work that continuously blows me away whenever I listen to it. The shifting, unsettling nature of the music is a thing of wonder. It was composed during what is sometimes referred to as Schoenberg's "free atonal" period, which, coincidently, is my favorite period of his oeuvre. This period also contains such masterpieces as the Five Pieces for Orchestra, Pierrot Lunaire and the String Quartet No. 2.
"Ah, but if less is more, then just think how much more more will be." ― Dr. Frasier Crane

Symphonic Addict

#1108
March 31, 2026, 10:51:24 AM
The only other work by Schönberg I've ever heard live is Verklärte Nacht for string orchestra. If my memory serves well, his Cello Concerto after Georg Monn too.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

brewski

#1109
March 31, 2026, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 31, 2026, 10:51:24 AMThe only other work by Schönberg I've ever heard live is Verklärte Nacht for string orchestra. If my memory serves well, his Cello Concerto after Georg Monn too.

Don't know your taste enough to recommend anything, but I will say that you have a lot of adventure ahead!  :)
"I set down a beautiful chord on paper—and suddenly it rusts."
—Alfred Schnittke (1934-1998)

Mandryka

#1110
March 31, 2026, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 31, 2026, 10:51:24 AMThe only other work by Schönberg I've ever heard live is Verklärte Nacht for string orchestra. If my memory serves well, his Cello Concerto after Georg Monn too.

Well I think you will enjoy the piano transcription which Webern made of Schoenberg's Farben

https://taniacarolinechen.bandcamp.com/track/iii-farben-m-ige-vierte
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Symphonic Addict

#1111
March 31, 2026, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: brewski on March 31, 2026, 12:45:10 PMDon't know your taste enough to recommend anything, but I will say that you have a lot of adventure ahead!  :)

Do you mean in regard to attending concerts featuring his works? Or in general? Because I know a good bit of his output, I'm not only familiar with his early or most approachable works. And, of course, I enjoy adventures a lot, more so when music is concerned.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Symphonic Addict

#1112
March 31, 2026, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 31, 2026, 01:44:17 PMWell I think you will enjoy the piano transcription which Webern made of Schoenberg's Farben

https://taniacarolinechen.bandcamp.com/track/iii-farben-m-ige-vierte

Unsettling, austere and haunting in that arrangement.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

brewski

#1113
March 31, 2026, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 31, 2026, 03:21:31 PMDo you mean in regard to attending concerts featuring his works? Or in general? Because I know a good bit of his output, I'm not only familiar with his early or most approachable works. And, of course, I enjoy adventures a lot, more so when music is concerned.

Ah, sorry, I overlooked the word "live" in your post, my bad, carry on. Glad the comment on adventures resonated.

Will add: a friend went to the Concertgebouw for the first time a couple of years ago. The program: Gurrelieder. He is still talking about it.
"I set down a beautiful chord on paper—and suddenly it rusts."
—Alfred Schnittke (1934-1998)

Symphonic Addict

#1114
March 31, 2026, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: brewski on March 31, 2026, 06:52:56 PMAh, sorry, I overlooked the word "live" in your post, my bad, carry on. Glad the comment on adventures resonated.

Will add: a friend went to the Concertgebouw for the first time a couple of years ago. The program: Gurrelieder. He is still talking about it.

With good reason, a monumental masterpiece. It's in my personal bucket list.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Mandryka

#1115
April 01, 2026, 06:19:57 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 31, 2026, 07:49:12 PMWith good reason, a monumental masterpiece. It's in my personal bucket list.

Whenever I've seen it, at proms a couple of times, there's a point where it kind of takes off half way through. I think it's the start pf Pt 3.
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relm1

#1116
April 02, 2026, 05:31:52 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 31, 2026, 07:49:12 PMWith good reason, a monumental masterpiece. It's in my personal bucket list.

I saw it earlier this year and brought me to tears.  It was magnificent and very listenable.  I mean, quite thrilling, tender, atmospheric, just not a wasted moment. 

Symphonic Addict

#1117
April 02, 2026, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: relm1 on April 02, 2026, 05:31:52 AMI saw it earlier this year and brought me to tears.  It was magnificent and very listenable.  I mean, quite thrilling, tender, atmospheric, just not a wasted moment. 

Some of the sentiments I want to feel when attending concerts.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!
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