Schoenberg's Sheen

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snyprrr

Quote from: karlhenning on July 05, 2016, 10:31:53 AM
Pelleas und Melisande, Op.5 ... how rich and voluptuous.  And what a magnificent orchestra for it:

I feel asleep the last time I took herbie for a spin. That, and 'Transfigured Night' on the same programme will do it Don't try and tell me you haven't crashed to some "brilliant" music lately...















sure...whatever you say :laugh:

Karl Henning

Most notably of late, some Bruckner.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: snyprrr on July 05, 2016, 04:29:56 PM
I feel asleep the last time I took herbie for a spin. That, and 'Transfigured Night' on the same programme will do it Don't try and tell me you haven't crashed to some "brilliant" music lately...

Why, only last night I was lulled to rest by the sweet discords of Erwartung.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: karlhenning on July 07, 2016, 01:33:44 AM
Why, only last night I was lulled to rest by the sweet discords of Erwartung.

Incidentally, according to Wikipedia, Erwartung "was the first live opera shown on Times Square in New York City in a production by Robin Rhode in November 2015."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

Quote from: Mirror Image on July 01, 2016, 06:47:21 PM
Yeah, I never should have listened to Schoenberg's Five Pieces for Orchestra as this started everything! Of course, I blame Berg's Violin Concerto, too! ;D

One of the greatest - if not THE greatest performance of this I have ever heard - was deleted soon after it was issued (or at least so it seemed):



Also at the top is the old Mercury Antal Dorati recording.

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Mirror Image

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Quote from: Cato on July 07, 2016, 07:03:27 AM
One of the greatest - if not THE greatest performance of this I have ever heard - was deleted soon after it was issued (or at least so it seemed):



That's a great performance for sure, but not a favorite. My favorite is Boulez on Sony however. I think his icy detachment and x-ray vision works wonders in the work.

Mirror Image

Quote from: karlhenning on July 05, 2016, 10:31:53 AM
Pelleas und Melisande, Op.5 ... how rich and voluptuous.  And what a magnificent orchestra for it:

And excellent recording for sure! I should revisit it.

GioCar

I haven't listened to the Variations for Orchestra op.31 for a big while, and I didn't remember how good they are...

What's really amazing is that they are so musical, emotional, despite the rigorous construction. And the vast Finale where the tone row is fragmented in all those small pieces having different sounds and colours, and then recombined as a glittering kaleidoscope is really overwhelming.


Scion7

^ Because Schoenberg was an inspired composer!
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Karl Henning

The Op. 8 № 2 definitely makes me think of Till Eulenspiegel.  Great stuff.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mahlerian

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 21, 2016, 09:57:56 AM
The Op. 8 № 2 definitely makes me think of Till Eulenspiegel.  Great stuff.

I can't be the only one who hears Don Juan behind the first theme of the Chamber Symphony Op. 9, either...Schoenberg's clear debt to and admiration for Strauss must have made it difficult to accept that the older composer disliked the direction his music had taken.
"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

Mandryka

Can someone help me? I want to find a translation of Moses und Aaron on line, but so far no joy!
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Mandryka

Quote from: Mirror Image on July 07, 2016, 07:44:21 AM
I think his icy detachment and x-ray vision works wonders in the work.

Thanks for mentioning this, I agree with you. Up to now I'd only heard Van Beinum I think.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Mirror Image

Quote from: Mandryka on October 22, 2016, 11:14:30 PM
Can someone help me? I want to find a translation of Moses und Aaron on line, but so far no joy!

It seems to be under some kind of copyright restriction. I couldn't find anything either. :(

Quote from: Mandryka on October 23, 2016, 12:03:19 AMThanks for mentioning this, I agree with you. Up to now I'd only heard Van Beinum I think.

Glad you enjoyed the Boulez performance. Gielen's on Wergo is also excellent.

Mirror Image

Quote from: sanantonio on October 23, 2016, 07:29:47 AM
The Schoenberg Center provides a free eBook libretto, although I am not sure if it includes an English translation.

It doesn't.

Karl Henning

I can see the point ... if one has made the effort to translate the libretto, that is one's work (with the permission of the copyright-holder, if there be one, of the source text).

Incidentally, this is what makes me smile about the Bible in copyright ....

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

GioCar

Quote from: Mandryka on October 22, 2016, 11:14:30 PM
Can someone help me? I want to find a translation of Moses und Aaron on line, but so far no joy!

Here's an Italian translation, if this may help
http://www.dicoseunpo.it/S_files/Moses_Aron.pdf


Mandryka

Thanks everyone for trying. In the end I found a scan of the libretto in Boulez's recording. German, English, French and Italian.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

SharpEleventh

What do GMGers think of Five Piano Pieces Op. 23?