Hoping someone can help me find music like this

Started by dmiddleton, January 06, 2014, 08:13:31 PM

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dmiddleton

From the King Kong ost by JNH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06odMZRZMBg

If you listen to 2:00, you'll get the idea.

With the understanding that classical music is a different animal than film score music, two challenges I have:

1) Find classical/romantic/etc. music that is similar in nature.

2) Find the associated sheet music.

I was hoping someone could take a few minutes, have a quick listen to the music in the vid, and maybe point me in the right direction.

Thanks a bunch!

pjme

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It may be fun to find out that many filmcomposers borrowed a few orchestration tricks and ideas  from late 19th century and early 20th century composers.

The use of percussion, wordless chorus, divided strings, harps.....

listen to: Maurice Ravel's Daphnis and ChloƩ (complete ballet, with chorus)

Sergei Prokofiev scores for the Eisenstein films Ivan the Terrible and Alexander nevsky.

Ralph Vaughan Williams : Flos campi, The lark ascending, Symphonies 3,5,8 ( he wrote a lot of good filmscores aswell).

Carl Nielsen: symphony nr 3 (slow movement)

Many opera composers ( Puccini, Korngold, Wagner,of course...) have influenced film composers or were/became ( Korngold) film composers.

More later.

P.

Other interesting composers that wrote often lush, tonal music are: Russians Alexander Borodin, Modest Mussorgsky,Sergei Rachmaninov,  Italian Ottorino Respighi, Brazilian Heitor Villa Lobos, Czech composers antonin Dvorak and joseph Suk...

Do you know some of the scores of Miklos Rozsa? Alfred Newman? Mario Nascimbene?





jochanaan

Quote from: pjme on January 06, 2014, 11:15:50 PM
It may be fun to find out that many filmcomposers borrowed a few orchestration tricks and ideas  from late 19th century and early 20th century composers.

The use of percussion, wordless chorus, divided strings, harps.....

listen to: Ravel's Daphnis and ChloƩ (complete ballet, with chorus)

Sergei Prokofiev scores for the Eisenstein films Ivan the Terrible and Alexander nevsky.

Ralph Vaughan Williams : Flos campi, The lark ascending, Symphonies 3,5,8 ( he wrote a ot of good filmscores aswell).

Carl Nielsen: symphony nr 3 (slow movement)

Many opera composers ( Puccini, Korngold, Wagner,of course...) have influenced film composers or were/became ( Korngold) film composers.

More later.

P.
dmiddleton, you might also like the Strauss tone poems.  My personal favorites are Also Sprach Zarathustra and Death and Transfiguration.

Also Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade.

Perhaps even the Bruckner symphonies might strike your fancy. 8)
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Daverz

I can't watch that on my ipad, but what about the score to the original King Kong by Max Steiner?

dmiddleton

Wow - lots of suggestions. Thanks for the time - much appreciated.

I listened to "Daphnis and Chloe" - definitely not what I seek, Good music, tho.

I am not just looking for music and composers who influenced today's film composers; I am looking for something really specific to the ex. I posted.

Quote from: Daverz on January 07, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
I can't watch that on my ipad, but what about the score to the original King Kong by Max Steiner?

No - because the sheet music to that is not available.

Thanks again for the time.

Mirror Image

Quote from: dmiddleton on January 12, 2014, 06:11:39 PM
Wow - lots of suggestions. Thanks for the time - much appreciated.

I listened to "Daphnis and Chloe" - definitely not what I seek, Good music, tho.

I am not just looking for music and composers who influenced today's film composers; I am looking for something really specific to the ex. I posted.

Why even have an agenda at all? Why not just dive right into classical music and enjoy it?

dmiddleton

Quote from: Mirror Image on January 12, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
Why even have an agenda at all? Why not just dive right into classical music and enjoy it?

Because I have to know what to listen to, right? There is so much out there (which is a good thing, of course), I could spend months - if not years trying to find a few pieces like the ex. I posted.

Mirror Image

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Quote from: dmiddleton on January 12, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
Because I have to know what to listen to, right? There is so much out there (which is a good thing, of course), I could spend months - if not years trying to find a few pieces like the ex. I posted.

Given all the feedback you've received so far, you should be set for awhile. 8) I find that discovering music isn't about having an idea about what you want to hear but just finding and sorting through music that you hope will appeal to you. It just happened that so much of the music I enjoyed almost instantly came from the 19th and 20th Centuries and that was being first exposed to two composers: Bartok and Ives. From here, I just went in so many directions. Classical music is a like swimming in a vast lake, you never know when you'll reach the end, but the journey to that end always has so much discourse along the way that you basically just wind up getting more out the journey than finally arriving at your destination. Does that make any sense?

Daverz

I did get a chance to listen to the clip.  I don't think you're going to find too much classical music exactly like that.

Some things probably on youtube:

Hanson: Symphony No. 2
Barber: Adagio
Copland: Appalachian Spring
Vaughan Williams: Tallis Fantasia
Gorecki: Symphony No. 3
Wagner: Prelude & Liebestod from Tristan & Isolde
Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 2
Atterberg: Symphony No. 3
Bantock: Celtic Symphony

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Daverz on January 12, 2014, 08:17:05 PM
I did get a chance to listen to the clip.  I don't think you're going to find too much classical music exactly like that.

This was my problem. It has a very movie score sound and is an amalgamation of styles. It actually sounds closest to the Lord of the Rings to me (another film score). You might try Meij's Symphony on the Lord of the Rings (not related to the movie). It's contemporary classical. You might try something by Debussy - La Mer perhaps. Or maybe Langgaard's Symphony No. 1. I like Dave's recommendations. I think there are some in there you might like.
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relm1

Don't forget Wagner's Ring Cycle which should keep you busy for awhile and sheet music readily available.  I can't play the clip in the US that you posted but know the score from the movie and Wagner Ring will surely contain something somewhere that has your specific extract in spirit.