Enjoying very different composers for the same reason?

Started by Linus, September 17, 2014, 12:20:26 AM

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Quote from: Linus on September 17, 2014, 06:25:50 AM
Ah! That anti-Glass sentiment is interesting. This could mean that (at least to you), Glass is where the Western art music tradition "breaks", where its experiments and progression has gone "too far" to provide enjoyment, at least structurally.

Am I right in assuming that your primary interest in music is its sense of transition?

Yes, that's probably a fair assumption. Transition, direction, movement towards a goal.
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I'm not sure I can even answer the question properly because I like many composers but never for the same reasons.

Brian

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 17, 2014, 05:57:10 PM
I'm not sure I can even answer the question properly because I like many composers but never for the same reasons.

I can sometimes like works for the same reasons. Ives's Symphony No. 2 is a pranky, goofy symphony with inside jokes and pratfalls, not unlike some of Haydn's best symphonies. The ending of Ives 2 might be the raunchiest moment since Haydn's notorious "Fart".

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Quote from: Brian on September 17, 2014, 06:01:22 PM
I can sometimes like works for the same reasons. Ives's Symphony No. 2 is a pranky, goofy symphony with inside jokes and pratfalls, not unlike some of Haydn's best symphonies. The ending of Ives 2 might be the raunchiest moment since Haydn's notorious "Fart".

Sure, I mean there are always exceptions.

Linus

Quote from: EigenUser on September 17, 2014, 07:31:25 AM
Oh, absolutely! It is one of my favorite aspects. Here is what I am talking about:

Hah, brilliant! ;D

I found an excellent thread with more examples. A goldmine.

Quote from: Florestan on September 17, 2014, 08:00:30 AM
To elaborate a bit, I am a "Romantic" listener. I couldn't care less for structure, form, rules and the like. What I care for is the music to "take me on a journey and touch me spiritually, emotionally, or intellectually (or in combination)"

Quote from: orfeo on September 17, 2014, 02:17:31 PM
Transition, direction, movement towards a goal.

"Journey", says one. "Movement towards a goal", says the other. I can see a resemblance (even if that was not the intention).

(I hope I'm not ruining anybody's ideas of music when making these connections. :-\)

Florestan

Quote from: Linus on September 19, 2014, 12:48:03 AM
"Journey", says one. "Movement towards a goal", says the other. I can see a resemblance (even if that was not the intention).

For me, the journey is more important and rewarding than the goal.

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Quote from: Florestan on September 19, 2014, 07:25:37 AM
For me, the journey is more important and rewarding than the goal.
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Linus

Quote from: Florestan on September 19, 2014, 07:25:37 AM
For me, the journey is more important and rewarding than the goal.

Indeed! Even I -- with a penchant for structure -- think the journey is the ultimate reward.

But the "goal" of the equation is interesting. 'Goal' would probably be the same as an aim directing the listener.

To develop the metaphor: If one approach is that of a wild journey, the other is that of a guided tour. :)

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