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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #320 on: December 14, 2019, 01:01:07 PM »
Thanks for the information about Premiere Opera Italy, as it confirms what I was thinking about them as I came across that edition of the performance.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #321 on: December 26, 2019, 08:19:42 PM »
I've been listening to the Hyperion set of the melodies (which I own), and comparing it to the as yet complete (1 volume to go) Signum series.





It's an interesting exercise because the approach of each is basically the same: one pianist, a collection of singers, keep the song cycles together but other opuses are spread around a bit.

And to me honours are about even. I'm inclined to think the Hyperion set has slightly higher highs, but unfortunately it also has lower lows. Both have some singers I think sound great, and at least one singer who I think sounds bad. For Hyperion, Jennifer Smith stands out as particularly bad and she's given 2 major song cycles to do. On Signum Nigel Cliffe has this really constricted tone, but he's only given a handful of songs to wreck. Everyone else is at least okay, but I think there are slightly more Signum performers who I consider merely 'okay' and not better than that.

Some of the Signum interpretations seem too fast and glib to me (plus one painfully slow one). Whereas on Hyperion, just occasionally it's a bit too staid.

I end up feeling both sets are actually pretty good but not absolutely ideal.

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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #322 on: December 26, 2019, 08:22:29 PM »
Thanks for the write-up, Madiel. Most informative, indeed.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #323 on: December 26, 2019, 08:26:34 PM »
Right now I'm trying the first volume of the set Malcolm Martineau did with Sarah Walker (and also Tom Krause on later volumes). The box version looks like this:



And now I'm a bit torn. I'm not sure that I want a set where one singer dominates to such an extent. And Sarah Walker's voice is, I feel, a touch too dramatic for some of this music.

And yet... there's no denying that her voice is good, and interpretatively  I can't say that she and Martineau have put a foot wrong anywhere in volume 1. She knocks Le jardin clos out of the park, which is one of the things I most want another version of.

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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #324 on: December 26, 2019, 08:30:23 PM »
Thanks for the write-up, Madiel. Most informative, indeed.

No problem. It made more sense to put my thoughts here rather than in the WAYLTN thread.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #325 on: December 27, 2019, 04:13:34 AM »
Madiel, are you familiar with this set? If yes, how would you rate it?



or the older version

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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #326 on: December 27, 2019, 04:21:44 AM »
Madiel, are you familiar with this set? If yes, how would you rate it?



or the older version



I've sampled it at some point, yes. I don't have especially clear memories, other than concluding that Elly Ameling was good without quite being what I was looking for.

But I've no doubt it's at least decent. I understand that for a long time it was pretty much the go-to set.

...you're making me want to go try it now...

EDIT: That set of recordings doesn't seem to be on Deezer. That surprises me. Though much of Ameling's contribution appears on a box of her performances, so that's probably why I particularly remember hearing her.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #327 on: December 29, 2019, 01:49:10 AM »


A continuously intense treatment of Fauré, it never relaxes for a second,  I haven’t heard the couple of Dukas tracks. Luminous and transparent. The structure of the music is really brought into relief. Her piano sound is diamantine, it’s like being showered with diamonds.

I’m not sure about this, but I think she knew him and worked with him on the music. Or am I confusing her with Marguerite Long?
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #328 on: December 29, 2019, 02:18:01 AM »


Apart from Nocturne 6 this is all pretty early music by Fauré. The piano is recorded slightly closely, which makes it sound a bit hard from time to time (listen to the extraordinary op 38 valse.) Two things struck me most. One was the extreme intensity. And the other was how Sanchez sometimes makes the melody of the music fuse with the accompaniment - I say fuse, not confuse.

Does he make the music sound too episodic? I think he probably does.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #329 on: February 12, 2020, 08:32:47 PM »
Faure's Piano Works - listening to Faure's music the last few days - discovered that I own the 3 'piano' sets shown below (one would be enough for me but which to keep?) - Kathryn Stott from 1994; Jean-Philippe Collard, 1970-83; and Jean Doyen from 1972 (the latter MP3 recordings on a single CD-R - cannot remember where purchased?) - I like Stott the most, BUT the others are certainly well done - SO, preferences from others?  Also, 1994 for Stott is a while ago, any newer 'complete' collections worth exploring?  Thanks for any thoughts.  Dave :)

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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #330 on: February 12, 2020, 09:05:47 PM »
Faure's Piano Works - listening to Faure's music the last few days - discovered that I own the 3 'piano' sets shown below (one would be enough for me but which to keep?) - Kathryn Stott from 1994; Jean-Philippe Collard, 1970-83; and Jean Doyen from 1972 (the latter MP3 recordings on a single CD-R - cannot remember where purchased?) - I like Stott the most, BUT the others are certainly well done - SO, preferences from others?  Also, 1994 for Stott is a while ago, any newer 'complete' collections worth exploring?  Thanks for any thoughts.  Dave :)

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I haven’t heard all of the available recordings of Fauré’s piano music, but I haven’t really looked around either considering how content and thoroughly impressed I am with Stott’s Hyperion set. I have heard, and own, the Collard cycle but don’t have favorable impressions of it --- it’s a bit too rough for me and Collard isn’t a pianist who has exactly made me say “Wow”. I think of all the twists and turns that exist in this music, Stott seems to be completely in-tune with this kind of emotional world this music exists in. I’d say keep the Stott for sure.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #331 on: February 13, 2020, 02:06:08 AM »
The only set I know is Stott.

As to more recent surveys, there is one by Jean-Claude Pennetier (separate volumes), I've no idea if it's any good. I can't find a lot of indications of reviews.

Paul Crossley is the 1980s so not newer. Same with Jean Hubeau and he doesn't seem to have great reviews at a glance. Germaine Thyssens-Valentin is even older than the recordings you've got I think...  and that's about it.

There really isn't a huge amount of activity in this field. In looking to see if I could find evidence of other cycles, I saw a snippet of a review describing Faure's music as amongst the most "subtly daunting" in the piano literature. Which seems about right to me.
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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #332 on: February 13, 2020, 03:59:38 AM »
I have and really like the Jean-Philippe Collard. I think he has a great feel for this music, though he may be a little over-serious at times. I am also really impressed with what I've heard of Jean Hubeau's Fauré. If I were to buy a second set, which I won't, it would be Hubeau on Erato. I was less impressed with what I've heard of Stott, which sounded a little too delicate for my tastes, but I haven't heard much so I'll leave evaluation up to those who know the whole set.

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Re: Gabriel Fauré (Faure)
« Reply #333 on: February 13, 2020, 01:01:25 PM »
Faure's Piano Works - listening to Faure's music the last few days - discovered that I own the 3 'piano' sets shown below (one would be enough for me but which to keep?) - Kathryn Stott from 1994; Jean-Philippe Collard, 1970-83; and Jean Doyen from 1972 (the latter MP3 recordings on a single CD-R - cannot remember where purchased?) - I like Stott the most, BUT the others are certainly well done - SO, preferences from others?  Also, 1994 for Stott is a while ago, any newer 'complete' collections worth exploring?  Thanks for any thoughts.  Dave :)

Kathryn Stott 1994  Jean Doyen 1972  Jean-Philippe Collard 1970-83
   

I have Stott, Collard (in the earlier EMI releases), Hubeau and Doyen. I also have single discs from Angela Hewitt and Pascal Roge. I've only listened to the Stott and Collard sets in their entirety and like both equally well. One thing that strikes me is that the impression a Faure piece makes on me can vary a lot depending on the performers; there is value in having more than one recording, more so than most composers I think.

...I was less impressed with what I've heard of Stott, which sounded a little too delicate for my tastes, but I haven't heard much so I'll leave evaluation up to those who know the whole set.

I seem to have the opposite impression, I like Stott a great deal but sometimes I get the impression that she bulldozes her way through pieces that could benefit from a bit more delicacy. All very subjective, of course.
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