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torut

Hi everyone, this is my favorite forum and I think one of the best of this kind.  I would like to thank you all for introducing to so many good music and sharing your thoughts about it.  There are a lot of music & composers I found here and have never heard of before.
I used to play in a big band and was exclusively listening to modern jazz during university days, then have become to love Classical music very much.  I am especially interesting in 20th/21st century & contemporary music and also the classics like Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart and others.  My nationality is Japanese but I am living in California.

Ken B

Quote from: torut on March 02, 2014, 02:56:18 PM
Hi everyone, this is my favorite forum and I think one of the best of this kind.  I would like to thank you all for introducing to so many good music and sharing your thoughts about it.  There are a lot of music & composers I found here and have never heard of before.
I used to play in a big band and was exclusively listening to modern jazz during university days, then have become to love Classical music very much.  I am especially interesting in 20th/21st century & contemporary music and also the classics like Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart and others.  My nationality is Japanese but I am living in California.
Hello and welcome.

EigenUser

Hi, and welcome! I'm relatively new here, myself. I love 20th-century music. Who are some of your favorite composers?
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

torut

Hi Ken B, EigenUser, thank you for welcome. I love Taneyev's string quartets and Myaskovsky. I am now exploring different composers and just listened to a few albums of each of these composers, but I liked Nono, Sciarrino, Weinberg, Rihm, Kurtag (just heard SQ) and want to know more about them. I was not so much interested in Cage, but recently I became more curious about his music after reading Cage thread, and checking his music at different stages, most of which are very interesting.

Ken B

Quote from: torut on March 02, 2014, 07:29:20 PM
Hi Ken B, EigenUser, thank you for welcome. I love Taneyev's string quartets and Myaskovsky. I am now exploring different composers and just listened to a few albums of each of these composers, but I liked Nono, Sciarrino, Weinberg, Rihm, Kurtag (just heard SQ) and want to know more about them. I was not so much interested in Cage, but recently I became more curious about his music after reading Cage thread, and checking his music at different stages, most of which are very interesting.
Torut, i don't know how much you know so if I recommend something too obvious just ignore it. I assume if you listen to Taneyev you know Brahms and Dvorak.
If you like Taneyev try Janacek's quartetes, or Borodin's. An under rated set of quartets is Villa Lobos. Arthur Hill too, because you like Miaskovsky. Faure.

mc ukrneal

Welcome! It looks like you have already found a number of interesting composers - let us know more as you explore them.
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

torut

Quote from: Ken B on March 02, 2014, 07:38:48 PM
Torut, i don't know how much you know so if I recommend something too obvious just ignore it. I assume if you listen to Taneyev you know Brahms and Dvorak.
If you like Taneyev try Janacek's quartetes, or Borodin's. An under rated set of quartets is Villa Lobos. Arthur Hill too, because you like Miaskovsky. Faure.
Thank you. I have not heard of Arthur Hill, and couldn't find his music on Google or Amazon. Could you let me know a recommended album (link, if possible)?
I like the string quartets of Janacek, Borodin & Villa Lobos. They are very beautiful and enjoyable.
Regarding Faure, I only have the requiem. I have been thinking to get Brilliant Classics's Faure box which was released recently. Do you recommend it?

torut

Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 02, 2014, 07:44:16 PM
Welcome! It looks like you have already found a number of interesting composers - let us know more as you explore them.
Hi mc ukrneal, thank you! I am going to check many interesting threads which I still have not read and will ask questions or recommendation.

North Star

Welcome to the forum! It sure looks like you've come to the right place. :)

Quote from: torut on March 02, 2014, 08:21:10 PM
Thank you. I have not heard of Arthur Hill, and couldn't find his music on Google or Amazon. Could you let me know a recommended album (link, if possible)?
I like the string quartets of Janacek, Borodin & Villa Lobos. They are very beautiful and enjoyable.
Regarding Faure, I only have the requiem. I have been thinking to get Brilliant Classics's Faure box which was released recently. Do you recommend it?
What about Bartók's or Shostakovich's quartets, Tchaikovsky string sextet Souvenir du Florence?

The Fauré box looks great, with Souzay & Ameling in the songs, Osostowicz & Tomes in VSs (their Brahms is splendid), Collard at least in some of the piano music, Baudo & Inghelbrecht.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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torut

Quote from: North Star on March 02, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
Welcome to the forum! It sure looks like you've come to the right place. :)
What about Bartók's or Shostakovich's quartets, Tchaikovsky string sextet Souvenir du Florence?

The Fauré box looks great, with Souzay & Ameling in the songs, Osostowicz & Tomes in VSs (their Brahms is splendid), Collard at least in some of the piano music, Baudo & Inghelbrecht.
Thank you for your recommendation, North Star. I have been listening to the quartets of Bartók and Shostakovich from time to time, but I feel I need to listen to them many more times. Tchaikovsky string sextet is in a cheap mp3 set I bought but I have not paid attention so far. I will listen to it carefully. Probably I will buy Faure box soon, it sounds very good.

North Star

Quote from: torut on March 03, 2014, 07:31:00 AMI have been listening to the quartets of Bartók and Shostakovich from time to time, but I feel I need to listen to them many more times.
That feeling usually gets stronger after listening to them. :)
What about newer (than Fauré) French music? Debussy, Ravel, Dutilleux SQs for instance?
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Ken B

Quote from: torut on March 02, 2014, 08:21:10 PM
Thank you. I have not heard of Arthur Hill, and couldn't find his music on Google or Amazon. Could you let me know a recommended album (link, if possible)?
I like the string quartets of Janacek, Borodin & Villa Lobos. They are very beautiful and enjoyable.
Regarding Faure, I only have the requiem. I have been thinking to get Brilliant Classics's Faure box which was released recently. Do you recommend it?
My bad. Alfred Hill. You'll like his quartets.
I am sticking to things kinda Taneyev like ie not Bartok and Shosty (this site is full of people who will recomment Bartok and Shorty even if you ask for medieval bagpipe music  >:D )
I don't have the Faure box, but I have a large chunk of Brilliant Faure stuff which I presume is the same stuff (usually is). That I do recommend highly.
Glad to see I was on the mark with 3 of my recommendations :)

torut

Quote from: North Star on March 03, 2014, 07:38:07 AM
That feeling usually gets stronger after listening to them. :)
What about newer (than Fauré) French music? Debussy, Ravel, Dutilleux SQs for instance?
Bartok's quartets are most avant-garde for me, even compared with later avant-garde SQs, and I like it.
Debussy & Ravel are good, especially Ravel's quartet is impressive.
I am very interested in Dutilleux SQ, but couldn't decide which album I should buy, because there is only one SQ Dutilleux composed, and duplication by coupling cannot be avoided. I have Alban Berg quartet's Debussy & Ravel and Arditti quartet's Dusapin SQ & Nancarrow SQ. Is there particular album of Dutilleux SQ with good couplings you recommend? (Arditti, Arcanto, etc.?)

springrite

First, welcome!

Hill may be a bit conservative or conventional for your taste? Sallinen's quartets are wonderful and may be to your liking. It is not avant-garde per se, but very interesting.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

bhodges

Quote from: torut on March 02, 2014, 07:29:20 PM
Hi Ken B, EigenUser, thank you for welcome. I love Taneyev's string quartets and Myaskovsky. I am now exploring different composers and just listened to a few albums of each of these composers, but I liked Nono, Sciarrino, Weinberg, Rihm, Kurtag (just heard SQ) and want to know more about them. I was not so much interested in Cage, but recently I became more curious about his music after reading Cage thread, and checking his music at different stages, most of which are very interesting.

Welcome, torut! Though I haven't heard much Taneyev or Myaskovsky (I've liked what I've heard), the other composers you mention are some of my favorites, too.

Enjoy yourself here - lots of interesting people from all over the world.

--Bruce

North Star

Quote from: torut on March 03, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
Bartok's quartets are most avant-garde for me, even compared with later avant-garde SQs, and I like it.
Debussy & Ravel are good, especially Ravel's quartet is impressive.
I am very interested in Dutilleux SQ, but couldn't decide which album I should buy, because there is only one SQ Dutilleux composed, and duplication by coupling cannot be avoided. I have Alban Berg quartet's Debussy & Ravel and Arditti quartet's Dusapin SQ & Nancarrow SQ. Is there particular album of Dutilleux SQ with good couplings you recommend? (Arditti, Arcanto, etc.?)
I have the Belcea, which is excellent, but I bet Arcanto are even better. Both come with Ravel & Debussy, unlike the Arditti, which couples it with Dusapin or Nancarrow & Ligeti in the Wigmore Hall recording.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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torut

Thank you, springrite and Brewski!
I like both conservative & non-conservative music. I have not seen the name of Alfred Hill anywhere, and am looking forward to listening to his music. (He composed a lot of SQs!) Thank you, Ken B.
Sallinen looks very interesting.

torut

Quote from: North Star on March 03, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
I have the Belcea, which is excellent, but I bet Arcanto are even better. Both come with Ravel & Debussy, unlike the Arditti, which couples it with Dusapin or Nancarrow & Ligeti in the Wigmore Hall recording.
Maybe I will get Arcanto, thank you. I guess it's worth having multiple interpretations of Debussy & Ravel SQs.

ZauberdrachenNr.7

Soyez le bienvenu, Torut!

Sounds to me like you are ready for Messiaen's Quator pour la fin du temps. If not, save it for a rainy day.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSVu1zbF94

torut

Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on March 04, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
Soyez le bienvenu, Torut!

Sounds to me like you are ready for Messiaen's Quator pour la fin du temps. If not, save it for a rainy day.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSVu1zbF94
Thank you, ZauberdrachenNr.7!
I have Naxos disc but have not heard it for years. I started listening to the youtube, and the music is intriguing from the beginning. The synchronizing score is nice. Thanks for the link.