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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1160 on: April 15, 2021, 02:35:14 AM »
Yeah. Um, Bostock is... not good.

I have the Naxos/Da Capo set (it's been issued on both labels) by Schønwandt, and I like it very much. As do quite a lot of other people, though I note that there are also people who aren't enthusiastic about it. If you want your Nielsen to be full throttle it won't appeal, whereas if you want more of a sense of shape and structure it's excellent in my view.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1161 on: April 15, 2021, 09:08:22 AM »
If we are talking symphony cycles again, I'll put in a word for Oramo, though it's on 3 separate discs and not cheap.

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1162 on: April 16, 2021, 07:39:24 AM »
Yeah. Um, Bostock is... not good.

I have the Naxos/Da Capo set (it's been issued on both labels) by Schønwandt, and I like it very much. As do quite a lot of other people, though I note that there are also people who aren't enthusiastic about it. If you want your Nielsen to be full throttle it won't appeal, whereas if you want more of a sense of shape and structure it's excellent in my view.

I suppose you would call Blomstedt/SFSO full throttle? This kind of super-efficient music making doesn't appeal to me. I don't think it matches Nielsens national style. Instead I prefer Oramo and Schønwandt and also Thomas Jensen. BTW I don't think Bostock is that bad, even if his interpretations lack some punch.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1163 on: April 16, 2021, 01:43:28 PM »
I suppose you would call Blomstedt/SFSO full throttle? This kind of super-efficient music making doesn't appeal to me. I don't think it matches Nielsens national style. Instead I prefer Oramo and Schønwandt and also Thomas Jensen. BTW I don't think Bostock is that bad, even if his interpretations lack some punch.

I don’t know the Blomstedt that well, I only briefly sampled it and from that memory I think that yes, it’s in that full throttle style. Certainly I remember reading an article where the author lamented the tendency to recommend the Blomstedt (one symphony in particular being described in the way that we’re talking) and saying that Schønwandt was far more appropriate.

And from what I can remember I made comparisons using iTunes samples and could hear how some versions were just constant momentum, and Schønwandt had much better light and shade.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1164 on: April 16, 2021, 02:02:40 PM »
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1165 on: April 16, 2021, 02:56:32 PM »
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1166 on: April 16, 2021, 07:05:27 PM »
I suppose you would call Blomstedt/SFSO full throttle? This kind of super-efficient music making doesn't appeal to me. I don't think it matches Nielsens national style. Instead I prefer Oramo and Schønwandt and also Thomas Jensen. BTW I don't think Bostock is that bad, even if his interpretations lack some punch.

To play the contrarian, I do believe Blomstedt gets Nielsen and he conducts this music magnificently. For me, Nielsen is a composer that needs forward momentum in the music. It’s almost like trying to capture a lightning bolt in a jar --- it won’t happen, but I love the conductors who really ‘go for it’. Bernstein was another that understood the composer, IMHO. His performances of the 3rd and 5th symphonies are revelatory or, at least, they were for me. His 3rd is especially momentous in that he conducted the Royal Danish Orchestra on their home turf. Basically, he showed up and said, through the music, now this is how Nielsen should be conducted and the Danes agreed.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1167 on: April 16, 2021, 07:57:42 PM »
There's no question that Nielsen needs forward momentum. The issue to me is some conductors can act as if that's all he needs.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1168 on: April 16, 2021, 07:59:54 PM »
There's no question that Nielsen needs forward momentum. The issue to me is some conductors can act as if that's all he needs.

And even here, I also think Blomstedt and Bernstein find the beauty in Nielsen, too. I agree that he’s not all lightning flashes and pedal-to-the-metal.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1169 on: April 16, 2021, 08:09:30 PM »
Re pedal to the metal: Anybody up for Horenstein's No 5?

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1170 on: April 16, 2021, 08:11:06 PM »
Re pedal to the metal: Anybody up for Horenstein's No 5?

No! I’ve had all the Nielsen I can take tonight. :P
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1171 on: April 17, 2021, 04:27:06 AM »
Re pedal to the metal: Anybody up for Horenstein's No 5?

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1172 on: April 17, 2021, 05:21:06 AM »
Probably mine as well. Available on youtube, I have the LP....... :P

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1173 on: April 17, 2021, 05:44:33 AM »
Probably mine as well. Available on youtube, I have the LP....... :P

I also have the LP. I replaced it with the CD which developed the dreaded bronzing.

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1174 on: April 18, 2021, 07:52:28 AM »
I've enjoyed a well-restored little film showing street scenes and tram rides through Copenhagen in 1906 - that is, between Nielsen's 2nd and 3rd Symphonies, and around the premiere of the successful opera "Maskarade" (in November 1906).

It's nice seeing how, besides the absence of cars, a lot of the scenery is the same, including the architecture. Also amusing, how people are fascinated by the filming, and play a bit of jolly theatre in front of the cameraman. Though not focused on inequality, and often showing the posh and modern side of the city, it does include street vendors and a brawdy street fight ...

There's also a part of it that has been supplied with good colours - almost 2 minutes:
https://twitter.com/Kfortuit/status/1383789976949723146

The total version, almost 8 minutes:
https://filmcentralen.dk/museum/danmark-paa-film/film/kobenhavn-paa-kryds-og-tvaers-1906



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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1175 on: April 24, 2021, 05:32:42 AM »
Revisiting 3 Nielsen performances by conductors who - as far as I know - only commercially recorded one symphony each.  Such a shame - these are compelling versions all!



Previn's No.1 & Martinon's No.4 are both excellent - dynamic and exciting.  The Martinon is also coupled with Morton Gould's No.2 - another fine performance.....



the Gould is also coupled here with Goodman's Clarinet Concerto which I seem to remember is notable for the fact that Goodman doesn't play all the notes(!)  Is this true?  Is it worth a listen?


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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1176 on: April 24, 2021, 03:14:49 PM »
Trying to work out if that last cover is circling something significant in Copenhagen or (my current theory) a completely random waterway...

I don’t remember anything musical in that spot.
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1177 on: April 24, 2021, 08:06:12 PM »
the Gould is also coupled here with Goodman's Clarinet Concerto which I seem to remember is notable for the fact that Goodman doesn't play all the notes(!)  Is this true?  Is it worth a listen?

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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1178 on: April 24, 2021, 11:56:54 PM »
Been enjoying this fine performance of the 5th Symphony (Danish RSO/Kubelik):
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Re: The Nielsen Nexus
« Reply #1179 on: April 25, 2021, 12:57:31 AM »
the Gould is also coupled here with Goodman's Clarinet Concerto which I seem to remember is notable for the fact that Goodman doesn't play all the notes(!)  Is this true?  Is it worth a listen?

It's not so much that he doesn't play the notes as that he's technically incapable of playing them at the speed Nielsen asks.  His performance is 4 minutes longer than anyone else's, which in a piece lasting under 25 minutes (well, except in Goodman's hands) is significant.  Some passages - the notorious lead-in to the second big solo cadenza, for example - are taken about half-speed.  I think the story is that Goodman didn't really bother to practice, being confident that he could just turn up and play.  But yes, worth a listen - he's quite good in the slower sections, even if his cushioned, vibrato-rich sound is probably a world away from the shrieking wildness Nielsen had in mind.  It's especially interesting to follow it immediately with the Stanley Drucker/Bernstein version, which is how the piece really goes.
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