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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4560 on: October 09, 2021, 06:13:05 AM »



Davide Cabassi is up to the fourth volume in his on-going cycle.  His Schumann and Soler discs don't make me want to buy his LvB as they come out, but if he ever finishes, I will have to buy.
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4561 on: October 12, 2021, 12:10:08 PM »
A slightly off-topic message, but because I think there are Annie Fischer aficionados around here ...
France Musique recently released an archive from 1959 featuring a recital by this pianist:
https://www.francemusique.fr/emissions/les-tresors-de-france-musique/recital-de-la-pianiste-annie-fischer-en-1959-98491

Program :
Georg Frederic Handel
Chaconne in G major, HWV 435

Ludwig van Beethoven
Piano Sonata, No.24 in F sharp major, Op. 78

Franz Schubert
4 impromptus, op. 142, D. 935

Béla Bartók
15 Hungarian peasant songs

Radiodiffusion Télévison Française (RTF), January 2, 1959.

(Extra : Franz Liszt, 6th study for piano after Paganini, S. 141)


It's a great document !
I would be curious if anyone is already familiar with this recording (?)

(Francophones should also appreciate the impeccable diction of the presenter of the time  :D )

EDIT:
I see this has already been released :
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4562 on: October 12, 2021, 01:00:02 PM »
^ She reminds me of Hillary Hawn's grandmother - or something like that!   :blank:
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4563 on: October 14, 2021, 05:08:27 PM »
^ She reminds me of Hillary Hawn's grandmother - or something like that!   :blank:

Hmm... There is indeed a little resemblance to Hillary Hahn.

But otherwise young Annie Fischer did not look like her at all:

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4564 on: October 14, 2021, 06:13:19 PM »

Artalinna (2020)

A very valuable 2cds album by young french/japanese pianist Yumeto Suenaga.
The program combines great works by Beethoven with lighter pieces, as well as few recent works by composer Isabelle Fraisse...
It's rather daring and I like it a lot.

Program :
Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
33 Veränderungen über einen Walzer von Diabelli, Op. 120
Große Fuge, Op. 134 (Beethoven'arrangement for Piano Four-Hands of String Quartet Op.133)
Piano Sonata No. 32, Op. 111
Rondo a capriccio, Op. 129
Bagatelle (Klavierstück), WoO 60
Klavierstück, WoO 61
Bagatelle (Klavierstück), WoO 61a (Hess 56)
Waltz, WoO 84
Bagatelles, Op. 119 (6 excerpts)
Ecossaise, WoO 86
Waltz, WoO 85
Isabelle Fraisse (1949-)
3 Moqueries sur une valse de Diabelli
111 - dialogue avec l'opus 111 de Beethoven

For my taste, the sound recording is a little too close to the instrument, but that doesn't bother me too much.

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4565 on: October 20, 2021, 12:44:35 PM »
Some new cycles:

Yingge Yan, winner of Beethoven Piano Competition in Bonn (Completed in 2020)








Adam Golka First Volume in First Hand Records:



 He has a Youtube channel with interviews with some piano masters about 32 sonatas
Sonata No.1 with Leon Fleischer
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpzq3i1w3tQ&t=168s

Sonata No. 21 "Waldstein" with Alfred Brendel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfQRvItY4Q

etc.




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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4566 on: October 20, 2021, 11:41:33 PM »
Some new cycles:

Yingge Yan, winner of Beethoven Piano Competition in Bonn (Completed in 2020)

Adam Golka First Volume in First Hand Records:

 He has a Youtube channel with interviews with some piano masters about 32 sonatas
Sonata No.1 with Leon Fleischer
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpzq3i1w3tQ&t=168s

Sonata No. 21 "Waldstein" with Alfred Brendel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfQRvItY4Q

etc.

It has become almost impossible to keep up with all the many new Beethoven piano sonata sets and especially to find out if they are worth hearing / owning. I just ordered Giltburg's set and Buchbinder III myself, but completeness in this field is risky and costly.

BTW your first post. Welcome to our forum, which I hope you will enjoy.  :)
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4567 on: October 21, 2021, 01:56:10 PM »

The Giltburg set is superb IMHO. Quite swift tempos (Gulda like?) and a superbly voiced Fazioli piano with great clarity, at least as played by Giltburg. A real find

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4568 on: October 21, 2021, 04:18:33 PM »
Some new cycles:

Yingge Yan, winner of Beethoven Piano Competition in Bonn (Completed in 2020)








This is good, btw. Along with Yu Kosuge, who recently became available on streaming for the first time (but has otherwise been out for ages), falls into the category of "good enough for me to listen to the whole thing but not quite good enough to justify adding to my collection".

Giltburg wasn't very interesting to me, nor Golka, nor Heide, etc, but they will definitely appeal to some people. I wouldn't compare Giltburg to Gulda, since Gulda's playing is much more straightforward and uninterpreted, whereas Giltburg struck me as somewhat mannered; would compare him more to someone like Kawamura (who I like) or Gould (who is good in a few sonatas but terrible in the majority).

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4569 on: October 22, 2021, 04:07:08 AM »
I listened to the last volume from Giltburg, the first two movements of 109 were very strange but I liked the rest of that volume, actually closing movement of 109 had me listening quite intently. After finishing I thought that movement was played much slower than it sounded but actual timing was not that eccentric; one of my favorites comes in at a bit over 14 minutes. I'll probably listen to the full cycle to see if it's worth buying. Sadly the Hammerklavier timings don't look that interesting.

Plus one to what the other poster said on the Fazioli, the tone is gorgeous.
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4570 on: October 22, 2021, 11:06:57 AM »
Chose a short sonata at random from Giltburg and chose very poorly - No. 9 (Op. 14 No. 1), which it turns out he plays with glacial slowness. Painfully dull. Going to put on Yusuke Kikuchi as soon as the finale ends to wash the unpleasant flavor out. The piano sounds fine but the recording is so close-up and cramped that I unfortunately can't get the sense of color which everyone else is describing.

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4571 on: October 22, 2021, 12:48:54 PM »
I picked Op. 109 for a comparison of Giltburg, Yan, Gulda (Amadeo), Badura-Skoda (Naïve Astrée), Crawford, in that order. My priors also had this as a preference order from least favoured to most but I was curious as to what a fresh listen would do.

Giltburg I found somewhat dull, slow, soft-edged and with occasional disruptive agogics. Maybe I just don't like Faziolis. Yan was much better, more straightforward but still with the basic elements of fantasy and dissociation that I associate with this sonata. Still a bit slow, but it didn't disturb me as much. Gulda was again an improvement, playing with actual power and passion where called for by the score; he also was slower than I'd remembered, as he actually downplays the dissociative and fantasy elements and attempts to weld the sonata into a cohesive dramatic arc, which tends to involve flattening the tempo relations somewhat. Badura-Skoda was the best of all, an intense (somewhat fast) reading that made all the others sound undercooked by comparison, but not much of a surprise there since along with Tipo/Crawford it's one of the great performances. Crawford was interesting here, because the interpretation is in many ways similar to Yan in particular but is totally transformed in effect by the nature of the instrument she uses. I think those two, or Crawford/Giltburg, would make in and of themselves good A:Bs for the interested. I usually like Crawford even more than PBS, and while I wasn't totally feeling it for most of the time today, her final variation is always transformative and ecstatic in emotional effect, in a way no one else in this particular mini-comparison appeared to aim at.

Anyway, I guess they're all pretty good, but my preference order was justified

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4572 on: October 22, 2021, 05:17:29 PM »
Yingge Yan, winner of Beethoven Piano Competition in Bonn (Completed in 2020)








Hmm.  Was aware of cycle, was not aware it was complete.  Perhaps I should buy, allowing a full Giltburg-Yan comp.
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4573 on: October 22, 2021, 05:41:55 PM »
Chose a short sonata at random from Giltburg and chose very poorly - No. 9 (Op. 14 No. 1), which it turns out he plays with glacial slowness. Painfully dull. Going to put on Yusuke Kikuchi as soon as the finale ends to wash the unpleasant flavor out. The piano sounds fine but the recording is so close-up and cramped that I unfortunately can't get the sense of color which everyone else is describing.

You weren't kidding, it sounds like he takes 10 minutes in the opening movement. I chose HJ Lim to wash it out ;D (since this humor might not translate well, I'm completely joking)
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4574 on: October 22, 2021, 06:56:24 PM »
You weren't kidding, it sounds like he takes 10 minutes in the opening movement. I chose HJ Lim to wash it out ;D (since this humor might not translate well, I'm completely joking)
Oh, I get the humor  ;D

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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4575 on: October 23, 2021, 12:04:54 AM »
What are favorites in op.14#2 (I piece I like much more than #1)? It's one of the few Beethoven pieces where I prefer a rather slowish lyrical indulgent first movement. That makes e.g. Richter a bit too fast/intense. Gilels who is probably the slowest I have is unfortunately way too slow in the second movement (basically ignoring the alla breve). A really dark horse I quite liked is Cziffra (EMI introuvables or big box).
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Re: Beethoven's Piano Sonatas
« Reply #4576 on: October 23, 2021, 04:30:21 AM »
What are favorites in op.14#2 (I piece I like much more than #1)? It's one of the few Beethoven pieces where I prefer a rather slowish lyrical indulgent first movement. That makes e.g. Richter a bit too fast/intense. Gilels who is probably the slowest I have is unfortunately way too slow in the second movement (basically ignoring the alla breve). A really dark horse I quite liked is Cziffra (EMI introuvables or big box).

Won't meet your requirement for slow first movement or probably the taste of most people, this is one of my favorites:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/qQhWuoPWWwY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/qQhWuoPWWwY</a>