Beethoven's Piano Sonatas

Started by George, July 21, 2007, 07:27:17 PM

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Brian

Yes, Lydian is affiliated with Naxos...some of the recordings resurfaced later on the next super-budget Naxos label, "Amadis." And many of the artists (like Wildner and Michael Halasz) reappeared on dozens of Naxos albums.

I am going through now to clear out some of the off-topic comments; I hope it is understood that this is just to keep things on track.

Madiel

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My hope was for a different understanding. And you missed a couple.

Spills happen in a pub. But there's a difference between saying "I'll just clean up this spill that happened before anyone slips on it" and saying "please don't deliberately tip your drinks on the floor".

And the understanding you're currently giving is that if the patrons deliberately tip drinks on the floor, you'll come along and say "I'll just clean this up".

EDIT: I see that the rest of the spill has now been cleaned.
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Holden

My research leads me to believe that Tomsic onlyh recorded three LvB sonatas - 8, 14 and 21
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Holden

prémont

Quote from: Holden on April 24, 2024, 01:18:46 AMMy research leads me to believe that Tomsic only recorded three LvB sonatas - 8, 14 and 21

Yes, I think you are right.
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Mandryka

Quote from: prémont on April 24, 2024, 02:11:10 AMYes, I think you are right.

And op 110 for Koch. I haven't read the discussion above so it may have been mentioned. I can let you have it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Pno-Sonatas-23-26-31/dp/B000001SE3
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Mandryka

Quote from: prémont on April 23, 2024, 02:18:38 AMDieter Goldmann is a fictitious name. I own one of these budget releases where all three sonatas are attributed to Tomsic. However, I question whether it is her playing the Appassionata Sonata. Indeed, she recorded the Appassionata Sonata for the Koch label, but that is a separate recording. Interestingly, the budget Appassionata is much superior to hers.

I know someone who says he once contacted her management and they reported that the budget label Beethoven is definitely hers, the Koch Beethoven was not mentioned at all.

Ironically, some of her Scarlatti was released on Concert Artists and attributed to Joyce Hatto!
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prémont

Quote from: Mandryka on April 24, 2024, 03:21:27 AMAnd op 110 for Koch. I haven't read the discussion above so it may have been mentioned. I can let you have it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Pno-Sonatas-23-26-31/dp/B000001SE3

Thank you for the offer. However, I just remembered that I've had this CD for many years, although I haven't listened to it recently. I even referred to the Appassionata on this CD in a post on this thread a few days ago, noting that I found the anonymous Appassionata on a pirated CD (which also includes Tomsic's Op. 13 and 27.2) to be more impressive than Tomsic's Appassionata on the Koch label. It seems we compete for the title of being the most senior.
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Holden

Quote from: prémont on April 24, 2024, 04:49:20 AMThank you for the offer. However, I just remembered that I've had this CD for many years, although I haven't listened to it recently. I even referred to the Appassionata on this CD in a post on this thread a few days ago, noting that I found the anonymous Appassionata on a pirated CD (which also includes Tomsic's Op. 13 and 27.2) to be more impressive than Tomsic's Appassionata on the Koch label. It seems we compete for the title of being the most senior.

Looks like the pianist for Op 57 is Sylvia Capova.
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Holden

prémont

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Quote from: Holden on April 24, 2024, 01:21:06 PMLooks like the pianist for Op 57 is Sylvia Capova.

Perhaps, but I own another recording that is quite convincingly attributed to Capova, and it differs from the first. It is certain that both are studio recordings. And it seems improbable that she would have recorded the piece twice.

https://www.discogs.com/master/1107586-Beethoven-Piano-Silvia-Capov%C3%A1-Piano-Sonatas-Moonlight-Path%C3%A9tique-Appassionata?image=14464860.SW1hZ2U6NDMyNTA0Nzk%3D
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prémont

The recording featuring Tomsic performing sonatas 8, 14, and (23 ??) is, as far as I recall, the following:

https://www.discogs.com/release/17675455-Ludwig-van-Beethoven-Dubravka-Tomsic-Sonata-n-2-8-and-23
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Madiel

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The problem of course is that kind of cheap reissue might not be accurate, in the same way that the Amazon listing of an entire set might not be accurate.

If you go through her catalogue you can see when the Pathetique and Moonlight were first released, recorded in 1986 with the Waldstein.** So when they appear again with the Appassionata the same problems arise as with Capova: were some sonatas recorded twice? Were reissues paired with a new recording?

**I'd trust that first album more than some, not least because it explicitly states when AND where the works were recorded.
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AnotherSpin

An example of how streaming services present albums. Pay attention to the composer's name. Chopin and Beethoven are not listed at all. Who's John Musto??


aukhawk

That's just a tagging issue, it's not directly the responsibility of the streaming service.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 24, 2024, 09:33:53 PMAn example of how streaming services present albums. Pay attention to the composer's name. Chopin and Beethoven are not listed at all. Who's John Musto??


Quote from: aukhawk on April 25, 2024, 07:04:28 AMThat's just a tagging issue, it's not directly the responsibility of the streaming service.
Still, that's sad! 

I'm guessing that they were referring to this gentleman:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Musto

PD
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AnotherSpin

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 25, 2024, 08:21:40 AMStill, that's sad! 

I'm guessing that they were referring to this gentleman:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Musto

PD

He must be the composer of the last encore, but as it is, this album is primarily the music of Chopin and Beethoven. The tagging issue doesn't strike me as so complex that streaming can't settle.

prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 25, 2024, 08:33:47 AMHe must be the composer of the last encore,
Contents of the program:

1        Etudes, op. 10, nos 1-6
Composed By – Frédéric Chopin
2        Sonata in B-flat major, op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
Composed By – Ludwig van Beethoven
3        Paganini Etude no. 3 "La Campanella"
Composed By – Franz Liszt
4        Improvisation and Fugue
Composed By – John Musto

To my "surprise" it includes the Hammerklavier sonata  :)
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AnotherSpin

Quote from: prémont on April 25, 2024, 10:35:36 AMContents of the program:

1        Etudes, op. 10, nos 1-6
Composed By – Frédéric Chopin
2        Sonata in B-flat major, op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
Composed By – Ludwig van Beethoven
3        Paganini Etude no. 3 "La Campanella"
Composed By – Franz Liszt
4        Improvisation and Fugue
Composed By – John Musto

To my "surprise" it includes the Hammerklavier sonata  :)


Yes, I knew Hammerklavier was there, and was listening to it in Qobuz and find out how album was listed.

kapsweiss2021

#4877
James Brawn has released the last volume of his Complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas (volumen 9).
Another complete set.
I hope Todd comment it.