Started by Ken B, April 19, 2014, 07:07:51 PM
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Quote from: orfeo on April 21, 2014, 02:20:09 AMI honestly don't see much benefit in throwing vast quantities of music at myself, quantities SO vast that I can't possibly get to know it in real depth, because it's knowing music in depth that creates the most pleasure.
Quote from: Baklavaboy on April 21, 2014, 06:07:30 AMWhen I talked to Ken about forming this thread, the goal was to make a thread to talk the pros and cons of various boxes. Instead it seems to have become another "meta-box" thread debating the idea of boxes... I actually PM'd Moonfish to join in, but he hasn't shown up yet.
Quote from: Pat B on April 21, 2014, 07:06:49 AMThis is wisdom. I struggle with it, not just due to big boxes. My unlistened pile is much smaller than some, but I have a lot of discs that I have only listened to once or twice.OTOH, for those of us who care about having physical media, now seems to be a good time to buy. Hopefully I will have many years to enjoy it all.
Quote from: Mandryka on April 21, 2014, 07:28:08 AMMaybe it's best to see listening to a recording as like going to a concert, an ephemeral experience which may never be repeated. But nevertheless fun and it builds up your experience of what can be done with the music. This is something I've learned from streaming services, and it seems to me a good thing.
Quote from: Baklavaboy on April 21, 2014, 07:37:56 AMbut his St. Mathew works (for me, anyway).
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 20, 2014, 06:41:29 PMAlmost exactly a month since someone lasted posted here!Well, I'm almost at the end of a complete first run through of the Hanssler Bachakademie Complete Bach box*, and I've already gotten the equivalent box from Teldec, so I'd thought I'd make a brief general comparison of the two for anyone interested in them.I'm pretty much pleased with both of them, and both of them have different strengths and weaknesses. Overall, I though Hanssler did a better job with the vocal works, and Teldec with the instrumental works, but with shadings. I preferred the Hanssler recordings of the organ works (by a variety of organists) to that of Teldec (Koopman). One real musical treasure that is well done in both boxes was the collection of four part chorale settings (ie, the chorales for chorus, as opposed to the chorales for organ).Hanssler is mostly MI, and Teldec is of course thoroughly HIP/PI.I found myself preferring the vocal works in the Hanssler box for two reasons: first, I'm not a fan of boy sopranos, who of course are a staple of the Leonhardt/Harnoncourt cycle found in the Teldec box; second, Rilling's presentation of the vocal works came across better to me, especially in the Passions and other "major" choral works. But I prefer my other complete cycle of cantatas--Gardiner--to either of the ones in the boxes.On the other hand, the presentation of the keyboard and orchestral works was a sort of hodgepodge in the Hanssler box, but more consistent (in part because of the only PI approach) in the Teldec box, and in general I prefer a PI approach (boy sopranos excepted).Hanssler has issued several segments of its box as smaller sets, including both the sacred cantatas and the organ works, so a nice compromise might be to get those two smaller sets, and the complete Teldec box.*listening to the flute sonatas now, which will leave only the suites for solo cello to be heard, and I hope to get that in the CD player sometime tomorrow.
Quote from: Jay F on April 21, 2014, 03:56:28 PMI feel the same way. I know someone who buys an enormous number of CDs, more than he can listen to before he dies. And he keeps buying more. He listens to as much as he can, but he never plays anything a second time. I can't imagine being so unfamiliar with my music. I probably listen to 20% of my music 90% of the time. I love the things I love, and I need to hear things more than once, more than ten times, if I am to love any piece of music. I can't do it with these gargantuan box sets.
Quote from: Ken B on April 21, 2014, 04:02:41 PMActually you can, they help do that. I wore out my copies of what I had when I was younger. My one copy of Mozart's PC 21. Some pieces two copies. If you want to learn a piece surely several different readings are better than one over and over. Boxes let you do that, especially conductor boxes.
Quote from: Baklavaboy on April 21, 2014, 04:21:03 PM And how do you find the music that is going to be your favorites?
Quote from: Brian on April 21, 2014, 04:31:27 PMGMG and streaming (Naxos Music Library). Big assist to David Hurwitz on a select few things (like Pierne's ballet Cydalise).
Quote from: Baklavaboy on April 21, 2014, 05:01:08 PM No doubt a streaming service is sensible and economical. But I just can't bring myself to start with them. To me it's like the cloud storage--I'm going to trust some people I've never met take care of all my most precious memorabilia god-knows-where? I feel more comfortable having my own hard drives and backing it up myself. And my music, if I'm in the middle of a CD and go to the kitchen to eat, I can hit pause, or pop it out and take it with me. I can sit and read the liner notes, or the included book. There is a collector quality, too. I like having the disc and the sleeve. I love original jackets, browsing for a while before I decide the discs I'm going to load, and sliding the disc out of the sleeve. The tactile elements, and the ritual preparation, getting settled in my chair with some coffee or a cocktail, or a book, are part of the musical experience for me...
Quote from: Baklavaboy on April 20, 2014, 05:55:09 PMMoonfish? Where are you? I'm wondering how much you are actually playing this:[asin]B00BCCEBRI[/asin] I like Bream a lot, but don't play that much guitar music (but then again, I don't have much guitar music. I passed on this box because I was sure it was one of those where ten is as good as 40 because the sound is relatively homogeneous for a non-specialist. To test this, I started playing my few Bream discs...but the more I play, it seems the more I like it. BTW, price at Amazon.de is pretty good.
Quote from: Moonfish on April 21, 2014, 05:16:50 PMSo this thread is about the pros and cons in regards to box sets?Hey Baklavaboy - I cannot believe I am writing this - but I am starting to enjoy having access to Spotify!!! It is pretty amazing, but I am still in the "pile up the cds on the shelves" camp at this point in time. My wife is not complaining (yet).
Quote from: Moonfish on April 21, 2014, 05:25:42 PMAhh, the Bream box. I must admit that I store the very large boxes upstairs (I hate the super large boxes that has too much room inside - perhaps I should move to your sleeve storage approach) and as a consequence has not been listened to too much. The recordings I have listened to have been very enjoyable, but I have a weakness for the lute as well as the guitar. If you fall into that category it is a no brainer. Like other genres of music it becomes complex and interesting in its own way as one continues to listen to the performances.
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