Bruckner's 6th Symphony - Blind Comparison

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Cato

#280
July 17, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Apparently we are the BANDIDOS of Bruckner Sixth Symphony Reviewers   8) 8) 8)

"I don't need no Solti!  And I don't know notheenk about no steenkeenk Von Karajan!"  ???

I am shocked as well, but the ears say nay!
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Brahmsian

#281
July 17, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 17, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Once again, because I can't believe you have added the beloved Karajan to misfit island...

:( Let's begin the parade of the eliminated  :(....

 

Wow!  That's a lot of heavy hitters out of the Bruckner 6 World Cup!  :D

amw

#282
July 17, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
Hey, this thread is alive again. Maybe blind comparisons were only sleeping >.>

I didn't know Karajan even recorded Bruckner, and I guess for good reason. ;) On the other hand, given my voting preferences, I wonder if I'll enjoy the eliminated ones more than the survivors. (I already like Chailly)

Ken B

#283
July 17, 2014, 06:51:03 PM
Quote from: Cato on July 17, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Apparently we are the BANDIDOS of Bruckner Sixth Symphony Reviewers   8) 8) 8)

"I don't need no Solti!  And I don't know notheenk about no steenkeenk Von Karajan!"  ???

I am shocked as well, but the ears say nay!
Some ears. i already knew that Neal was like my brother. My brother is the best movie critic, because if he likes it I know I won't and if he hates it it's a must see.

Keeping my eye on Brian now too.  :laugh:

Moonfish

#284
July 17, 2014, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 17, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Once again, because I can't believe you have added the beloved Karajan to misfit island...

:( Let's begin the parade of the eliminated  :(....

 

??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I am surprised that Chailly & Karajan (well, even Solti and Maazel actually) disappeared from the field.  It just proves that we have had too much exposure to Stockhausen!  >:D   
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mc ukrneal

#285
July 17, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on July 17, 2014, 11:39:50 PM
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I am surprised that Chailly & Karajan (well, even Solti and Maazel actually) disappeared from the field.  It just proves that we have had too much exposure to Stockhausen!  >:D   
That's one thing you don't have to worry about with me! :)
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Cato

#286
July 18, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 17, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
That's one thing you don't have to worry about with me! :)

Three words, Dude: Helikopter String Quartet!  ;)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

TheGSMoeller

#287
July 18, 2014, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 18, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Three words, Dude: Helikopter String Quartet!  ;)

That's it! My next blind comparison has been chosen!

mc ukrneal

#288
July 18, 2014, 03:47:28 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 18, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Three words, Dude: Helikopter String Quartet!  ;)
Helikopter?!?! I'm going to have to report you in your own thread! :)
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Sergeant Rock

#289
July 18, 2014, 03:54:49 AM
I am not surprised Karajan got the boot. His Sixth has never been considered great by the critical establishment. It's the weak link in an otherwise superb Bruckner cycle. When I did my own death match a few years ago (Wand box vs Karajan box) I couldn't choose a Sixth winner. I disliked them both! My opinion wasn't changed with a blind listen.

Solti? Well, he's never been known as one of the great Brucknerians. One of my first Bruckner purchases (1972) was his Vienna Eighth. I returned it the next day, exchanged it for Szell. Best musical decision I ever made  ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

#290
July 18, 2014, 03:59:12 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 17, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Once again, because I can't believe you have added the beloved Karajan to misfit island...

Is this where we finally part musical ways, my brother?  :(

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

TheGSMoeller

#291
July 18, 2014, 04:05:10 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2014, 03:54:49 AM
I am not surprised Karajan got the boot. His Sixth has never been considered great by the critical establishment. It's the weak link in an otherwise superb Bruckner cycle. When I did my own death match a few years ago (Wand box vs Karajan box) I couldn't choose a Sixth winner. I disliked them both! My opinion wasn't changed with a blind listen.

Solti? Well, he's never been known as one of the great Brucknerians. One of my first Bruckner purchases (1972) was his Vienna Eighth. I returned it the next day, exchanged it for Szell. Best musical decision I ever made  ;D

Sarge

Sarge, your earlier comments on the Karajan 6th were spot on. It seems to be neither a calculated presentation of the score or a passionate reading, very middle of the road if there is one here.

Oops, just broke my rule commenting. Anyone need a recording of Karajan/Berlin performing Bruckner 6th?  ;D

Sergeant Rock

#292
July 18, 2014, 04:20:54 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 18, 2014, 04:05:10 AM
Sarge, your earlier comments on the Karajan 6th were spot on.

This is, perhaps, the most satisfying blind comparison I've yet participated in. After the first round, not a single favorite has been eliminated  :)  (DRD is new to me; doesn't count as a favorite going into this comparison.) Usually at this point 90% of my forces are gone  ;D

Although I don't know how many of my favorite Sixths have been included, I assume some of them are here: Dohnányi, Stein, Haitink/Dresden, Sawallisch, Celi, Klemperer, Norrington.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Karl Henning

#293
July 18, 2014, 05:03:53 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 17, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Once again, because I can't believe you have added the beloved Karajan to misfit island...

López-Cobos can hold up his head in that crowd!  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#294
July 18, 2014, 05:04:43 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 18, 2014, 04:05:10 AM
Sarge, your earlier comments on the Karajan 6th were spot on. It seems to be neither a calculated presentation of the score or a passionate reading, very middle of the road if there is one here.

Oops, just broke my rule commenting. Anyone need a recording of Karajan/Berlin performing Bruckner 6th?  ;D

It's in the box?  If so, I've got it . . . though I don't recall giving that one a listen as yet.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#295
July 18, 2014, 05:07:03 AM
Quote from: amw on July 17, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
I didn't know Karajan even recorded Bruckner . . . .

Whaaaaaaaat?!

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

#296
July 18, 2014, 05:16:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 18, 2014, 05:03:53 AM
López-Cobos can hold up his head in that crowd!  8)

I heard that CD some years ago, and at the time thought it was quite fine: it apparently was not in Groups C or D.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 18, 2014, 04:05:10 AM
Sarge, your earlier comments on the Karajan 6th were spot on. It seems to be neither a calculated presentation of the score or a passionate reading, very middle of the road if there is one here.

Amen!   0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

TheGSMoeller

#297
July 18, 2014, 06:36:32 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2014, 04:20:54 AM

Although I don't know how many of my favorite Sixths have been included, I assume some of them are here: Dohnányi, Stein, Haitink/Dresden, Sawallisch, Celi, Klemperer, Norrington.

Sarge

Holy crap! I had no idea all those conductors have recorded Bruckner's 6th!  :o

Cato

#298
July 18, 2014, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 18, 2014, 06:36:32 AM
Holy crap! I had no idea all those conductors have recorded Bruckner's 6th!  :o

Let's have another Round I: Group E!   ;)   ???
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Brahmsian

#299
July 18, 2014, 08:02:36 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 18, 2014, 06:36:32 AM
Holy crap! I had no idea all those conductors have recorded Bruckner's 6th!  :o

Or do you?  ;)  Hmmm..... :D
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