Your favourite Haydn's "London" Symphonies

Started by amw, May 08, 2014, 09:52:00 PM

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Pick three

No. 92 "Oxford"
3 (14.3%)
No. 93 "Raspberry"
2 (9.5%)
No. 94 "Surprise"
4 (19%)
No. 95 "Introductionless"
1 (4.8%)
No. 96 "Fake Miracle"
3 (14.3%)
No. 97 "Untitled"
1 (4.8%)
No. 98 "Unnecessary Harpsichord"
1 (4.8%)
No. 99 "Untitled 2"
4 (19%)
No. 100 "Military"
5 (23.8%)
No. 101 "Clock"
5 (23.8%)
No. 102 "Actual Miracle"
2 (9.5%)
No. 103 "Drumroll"
3 (14.3%)
No. 104 "London"
10 (47.6%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Ken B

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2014, 02:45:57 PM
Oh sure. I was responding to your "little" qualifier, not the HIP.

Sarge
Yes, that was careless of me.

Any opinions on the Minkowski set? Reactions are incredibly divided. More than I have ever seen on any recordings.

Sergeant Rock

#21
Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
Incidentally, so smitten am I with Hoggy Haydn, and various HIP accounts of the Paris, that I don't think a single London would make my top 20 Haydn symphonies anymore.

I can't get my Favorites list down to less than 31...and even that is tough  ;D  But even if I could whittle it down to 20, some of the Londons would make the cut. Certainly 93 and 99.

The list at this moment:

4 D major
5 A major
15 D major
30 C major "Alleluja"
31 D major "Hornsignal"
34 D minor
35 B flat
36 E flat
39 G minor
41 C major
42 D major
44 E minor "Trauer"
48 C major "Maria Theresia"
51 B flat
52 C minor
57 D major
65 A major
67 F major
72 D major
73 D major "La Chasse"
78 C minor
80 D minor
83 G minor "Hen"
85 B flat "La Reine"
90 C major
92 G major "Oxford
93 D major
95 C minor
99 E flat "Cat"
100 G major "Military"
101 D major "Clock"
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

amw

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 02:48:59 PM
Any opinions on the Minkowski set? Reactions are incredibly divided. More than I have ever seen on any recordings.

It's extremely willful and with a tendency towards extreme tempi. Of course I love it.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 02:48:59 PM
Any opinions on the Minkowski set? Reactions are incredibly divided. More than I have ever seen on any recordings.

I was initially very enthusiastic, The longer I've lived with it, though, the less enamored I've become. His interpretive quirks don't bother me (the Surprise, the Drumroll) but I think his Minuets are, in general, too fast. I also prefer more aggressive brass. I suppose I'd still recommend it but check again in a couple of months  ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Ken B

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
I can't get my Favorites list down to less than 31...and even that is tough  ;D  But even if I could whittle it down to 20, some of the Londons would make the cut. Certainly 93 and 99.

The list at this moment:

4 D major
5 A major
15 D major
30 C major "Alleluja"
31 D major "Hornsignal"
34 D minor
35 B flat
36 E flat
39 G minor
41 C major
42 D major
44 E minor "Trauer"
48 C major "Maria Theresia"
51 B flat
52 C minor
57 D major
65 A major
67 F major
72 D major
73 D major "La Chasse"
78 C minor
80 D minor
83 G minor "Hen"
85 B flat "La Reine"
90 C major
92 G major "Oxford
93 D major
95 C minor
99 E flat "Cat"
100 G major "Military"
101 D major "Clock"

I'm much vaguer. The low number daytimes, most of the S&D stuff in the 40s. If I picked one it would be 39. But I love that Hoggy box in toto.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 03:13:26 PM....most of the S&D stuff in the 40s.

Yeah, those were my favorites at first. All that storm and stress. But I've mellowed with age...and have had meds prescribed  ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

kishnevi

 They're all my favorite!  I can't say I like one better than all the rest.

If you really insist, the ones most recently listened to,  which at the moment means numbers 96 and 97,  but later on tonight that will likely change to  98 and 99, since I am now working my way through the Bernstein/NYPO Sony box.  [At the moment, I'm indulging in a pianistic interlude--Ashkenazy playing Chopin's Etudes.]

DavidW

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
I'm much vaguer. The low number daytimes, most of the S&D stuff in the 40s. If I picked one it would be 39. But I love that Hoggy box in toto.

For me the S&D, some of the named early ones, a few in the 60s and 70s, Paris, Chunnel and Londons are my favorites.  My top shelf are S&D and Paris.

TheGSMoeller


jochanaan

#94, #100, and #104.  It could change by tomorrow, though.  ;D Still, I've played #104 and so it will be a perennial favorite.  Haydn is really fun to play. 8)
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Ken B

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 09, 2014, 05:15:50 PM
They're all my favorite!  I can't say I like one better than all the rest.

If you really insist, the ones most recently listened to,  which at the moment means numbers 96 and 97,  but later on tonight that will likely change to  98 and 99, since I am now working my way through the Bernstein/NYPO Sony box.  [At the moment, I'm indulging in a pianistic interlude--Ashkenazy playing Chopin's Etudes.]
Even to a HIPster like me that looks tempting. How good, compared to Szell, Klemp, Jochum, Fischer?

kishnevi

Quote from: Ken B on May 12, 2014, 02:15:38 PM
Even to a HIPster like me that looks tempting. How good, compared to Szell, Klemp, Jochum, Fischer?
Better than F. At least as good as Szell and Solti.  Do not have K or J.
Only major flaw is the cardboard sleeves, which are extremely tight.
This is the Sony set with some of the masses and The Creation.  It is better and of course contains more music then the equivalent DG box.

Ken B

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 12, 2014, 02:22:31 PM
Better than F. At least as good as Szell and Solti.  Do not have K or J.
Only major flaw is the cardboard sleeves, which are extremely tight.
This is the Sony set with some of the masses and The Creation.  It is better and of course contains more music then the equivalent DG box.
I generally think Lenny was better in NY, based on the limited number of DGs I have heard.

EigenUser

Just heard 99 today for the first time. My favorite Haydn symphony so far, along with 88. Maybe I'll try 77, 66, 55, etc ;D.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".