Mozart in Period Performances (HIP)

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M forever

Abbado wouldn't. But Claudio would.

FideLeo

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Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 23, 2008, 03:41:07 PM
But you have to admit it is pretty strange that Abbado waited till he is 70 to get into the swing of the HIP thing. Usually HIP guys strike pretty early. Abbado, regardless of what you think of his conducting, seem pretty old-school and doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would want to get into the while HIP thing.

Well he had got his feet wet with his DG "Magic Flute" with Mahler Chamber Orchestra.  Now this collaboration with seasoned period instrument players Giuliano Carmignola and Paolo Grazzi.  I expect more "full-immersion" HIP to come from Abbado.  :)
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

M forever

He had got "his feet wet"? Now he is headed towards "full-immersion HIP"? Man, you really have absolutely no clue what period performance is really about, and where the various representatives of this and other interpretive styles stand and how they are related to each other. Which doesn't surprise me since all this is coming from and happening in a cultural environment which is very alien to you. Strangely, you don't even seem to realize that and think that you understand all that. Do you really think that you understand such complex cultural phenomena just by listening to a few CDs and reading a few articles? If you did, then you could at least enrichen the discussion instead of just contributing a few hollow one-liners...

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: traverso on July 24, 2008, 07:19:10 PM
Well he had got his feet wet with his DG "Magic Flute" with Mahler Chamber Orchestra. 
I am not quite making the connection here. What does the Mahler Chamber Orchestra have to do with HIP or not HIP?

FideLeo

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 25, 2008, 06:04:29 AM
I am not quite making the connection here. What does the Mahler Chamber Orchestra have to do with HIP or not HIP?

Listen to that recording and you will know.  :)
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Gurn Blanston

I have to agree with that, since mention of a Mahler Chamber Orchestra and HIP in the same sentence makes for rather a puzzle to me.  Kindly expand on that, if you please...

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FideLeo

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 28, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
I have to agree with that, since mention of a Mahler Chamber Orchestra and HIP in the same sentence makes for rather a puzzle to me.  Kindly expand on that, if you please...

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Marc Minkowski also made a couple recordings with Mahler Chamber Orchestra as well, so it's clear with whom the orchestra prefers to work.  Does that make their connection with HIP a bit more obvious to you?  In any case, the DG Magic Flute shows Abbado's interest in a more HIP style (balance, tempi, phrasing decisions) which is confirmed in the new period-instrument recording of the violin concertos.  Don't think we will see period-instrument Beethoven or Schubert from Abbado very soon, but compare his old Mozart and new and something is definitely changing (for better, as far as I am concerned).
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Que

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Has anyone heard this yet? :o  :)
Seems a pretty good combination. I do enjoy Brüggen's Mozart - his recording of the clarinet concerto with Hoeprich (also on Glossa) was top of the pops IMO. And Zehetmair & Brüggen have been much lauded in Beethoven - though I have not heard that myself.



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Q

Sorin Eushayson

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I have not heard that one, Que...  It looks noteworthy, would definitely be willing to hear it out.  For now, I have the Carmignola/Abbado set and it's wonderful.

A brief aside about the Bruggen/Zehetmair Beethoven recording: nigh on definitive!!!  ;D

By the way, trippy cover picture... :o

Bunny

Quote from: Que on May 11, 2007, 10:19:37 PM
The last of my Mozart purchases on Glossa with clarinetist Hoeprich.
And this another hit after the Gran Partita. :)
Brüggen provides a relaxed but very fresh, transparent and rhythmically articulated orchestral part.
Hoeprich has a beautiful rounded tone but with very clear cut phrasing. The whole performance is like that: relaxed but fresh and sharp at the same time - momentum is kept. Like in the slow movement there is a good pulse: the music is not smoothed over or milked for sentiment, no dragging of feet... A winner!
Btw, I already have Pay/Hogwood and Veilhan/Malgoire, but this will be my favourite.

A minor reservation: I usually don't mind, but a duration of 60 minutes and a coupling with an overture, two arias (all from La Clemenza di Tito), a short adagio and a short but beautiful " Maurerische Trauermusik" IMO does not present a good lay out. You're basically getting this for the concerto, with some "frills" as encores.
Worthwhile nevertheless!



A short comment about one of the "frills" on this recording, Joyce DiDonato singing the two arias from La Clemenza di Tito:  I saw Ms. DiDonato a few weeks ago with Les Talens Lyriques doing Händel arias from her new cd Furore.  I have the greatest respect and admiration for her, she is a superb talent.  Although I've only seen Bartolli on dvd and tv, I believe from what I have seen that DiDonato is better!  Better coloratura, better acting, and far, far, far more attractive and charismatic stage presence.  While this is a very early cd for her, I suspect that those arias are not merely a frill but a very substantial contribution to the cd. 

DavidRoss

Quote from: Bunny on February 06, 2009, 09:46:37 AM
A short comment about one of the "frills" on this recording, Joyce DiDonato singing the two arias from La Clemenza di Tito:  I saw Ms. DiDonato a few weeks ago with Les Talens Lyriques doing Händel arias from her new cd Furore.  I have the greatest respect and admiration for her, she is a superb talent.  Although I've only seen Bartolli on dvd and tv, I believe from what I have seen that DiDonato is better!  Better coloratura, better acting, and far, far, far more attractive and charismatic stage presence.  While this is a very early cd for her, I suspect that those arias are not merely a frill but a very substantial contribution to the cd. 
It's a rare occasion when we agree on anything, but Ms DiDonato's Rosina in SFO's Barber a few years back made me a fan for life!
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FideLeo

Quote from: Que on December 19, 2008, 11:58:32 PM
Has anyone heard this yet? :o  :)
Seems a pretty good combination. I do enjoy Brüggen's Mozart - his recording of the clarinet concerto with Hoeprich (also on Glossa) was top of the pops IMO. And Zehetmair & Brüggen have been much lauded in Beethoven - though I have not heard that myself.



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Q

This was finally released in UK and I grabbed it despite an inflated pricing (Spanish economy?).  Zehetmair did all the solo work plus half of the conducting.  His tempi are somewhat brisker than those chosen by Bruggen but really the gap is by no means clear.  Balanced sound (a pretty healthy bass line audible all the time in music that is sometimes considered lightweight...) and overall smooth ensemble make it a winner by the ear.  Zehetmair plays a retrofit Strad and oh! what a beautifully focused, silky sound he conjured from his instrument.  Phrasings are well thought out and not so predictable at all.  A good companion disc to their Beethoven.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Sorin Eushayson

Quote from: traverso on April 13, 2009, 06:53:36 AM
This was finally released in UK and I grabbed it despite an inflated pricing (Spanish economy?).  Zehetmair did all the solo work plus half of the conducting.  His tempi are somewhat brisker than those chosen by Bruggen but really the gap is by no means clear.  Balanced sound (a pretty healthy bass line audible all the time in music that is sometimes considered lightweight...) and overall smooth ensemble make it a winner by the ear.  Zehetmair plays a retrofit Strad and oh! what a beautifully focused, silky sound he conjured from his instrument.  Phrasings are well thought out and not so predictable at all.  A good companion disc to their Beethoven.

Dang... I'm going to have to get that...  :-\

Mozart

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- Amadeus 6:26

FideLeo

Quote from: Mozart on May 16, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
I like these performances

Me, too, although not any more than I did other period instrument cycles of these great concertos.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Opus106

Quote from: traverso on May 16, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
Me, too, although not any more than I did other period instrument cycles of these great concertos.

How many are there? I'm aware of only Bilson/Gardiner and Immerseel. (And now, of course, the one posted by Mozart.)
Regards,
Navneeth

FideLeo

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Quote from: opus67 on May 16, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
How many are there? I'm aware of only Bilson/Gardiner and Immerseel. (And now, of course, the one posted by Mozart.)

Plus the incomplete one by Levin/Hogwood (two discs short).
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Opus106

Quote from: traverso on May 17, 2009, 04:13:52 AM
Plus the incomplete one by Levin/Hogwood (two discs short).

Thanks. :)
Regards,
Navneeth

Mozart

I like this set best I think, I must be tired of the Gardiner set and the Immerseel one never impressed me much. I have 1 cd of the Levin Hogwood one and its not too bad.
"I am the musical tree, eat of my fruit and your spirit shall rejoiceth!"
- Amadeus 6:26

Gurn Blanston

Is that the Sofronitzky set?


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