Top10 compositions that you don't like but everyone else does

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mn dave

Quote from: EigenUser on June 12, 2014, 11:30:08 AM
As a huge fan of (good) modern music, I actually agree with you. Most pieces that are now my favorites are things that I didn't like at all -- the Ligeti PC is the perfect example and I warmed up to it one movement at a time (five total). Stravinsky's "Agon" is another.

It's weird with modern (postwar especially). There are plenty of things I listen to that I don't like and I don't listen to them again for a while (if ever). Then, there are other things that I don't like -- but, for some inexplicable reason I keep coming back to. There must be something there that attracts me, yet it only reveals itself upon repeated hearings.

Lots of times when I give something a second, third or fourth chance, it turns out I never liked it and never will. :)

Sammy

The only highly popular composer who comes to mind is Vivaldi.  So I'll pick the Four Seasons and anything else by Vivaldi that most folks think highly of.

gutstrings

I could never hear anything worthwhile in Mahler symphonies. Years ago, I searched record stores, thinking maybe I just don't have the right recording. Never found it.

Jay F

Quote from: gutstrings on June 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
I could never hear anything worthwhile in Mahler symphonies. Years ago, I searched record stores, thinking maybe I just don't have the right recording. Never found it.

How do you like Wagner? Brahms?

EigenUser

Quote from: gutstrings on June 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
I could never hear anything worthwhile in Mahler symphonies. Years ago, I searched record stores, thinking maybe I just don't have the right recording. Never found it.
I enjoy Mahler in smahler doses than most music I like. 8)

I've been enjoying "Des Knaben Wunderhorn" and I almost bought the score today.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

gutstrings

Not a big opera fan, haven't listened to much Wagner. Brahms is OK, at one time I liked Abbado's approach, sorry to learn of his recent passing... but aside from Brahms' Hungarian Dances, he doesn't move me. Tchaikovsky steals the show.

Karl Henning

Quote from: gutstrings on June 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
I could never hear anything worthwhile in Mahler symphonies. Years ago, I searched record stores, thinking maybe I just don't have the right recording. Never found it.

It took me quite a while to warm to them.  I just had to be ready, I think.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: gutstrings on June 12, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
. . . Brahms is OK, at one time I liked Abbado's approach, sorry to learn of his recent passing... but aside from Brahms' Hungarian Dances, he doesn't move me. . . .

How about the clarinet sonatas?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: EigenUser on June 12, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
I enjoy Mahler in smahler doses than most music I like. 8)

I am similar . . . now and again I really dig listening to one of the symphonies;  I seldom listen to two in the same week.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: EigenUser on June 12, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
Reminds me of George Carlin talking about how he was a picky eater when he was little.

"And then they would ask me 'How do you know you don't like it if you've never even tried it'? It came to me in a dream!"

Anyway, my list:
1. Bartok SQs (Brian, I sympathize with you -- and Bartok is my favorite composer. I should say that I do like the 3rd.)
2. Mozart "Symphony No. 40"
3. Shostakovich "Symphony No. 5"
4. Janacek "Sinfonietta"
5. Ligeti "Cello Concerto"
...
7. Schoenberg "Five Pieces for Orchestra"
8. Brahms "Double Concerto"
9. Stravinsky "Firebird"
You can't afford being mad at others, Nate  8)
'Everyone' likes Stocky Gruppen or Ligeti CC? Where do you hang out?  0:)

Quote from: karlhenning on June 13, 2014, 05:05:19 AM
I am similar . . . now and again I really dig listening to one of the symphonies;  I seldom listen to two in the same week.
But he meant he listens to a movement here, a movement there - hardly the same as listening to a whole symphony once a week or less often.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

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Quote from: EigenUser on June 12, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
Anyway, my list:6. Stockhausen "Gruppen"
7. Schoenberg "Five Pieces for Orchestra"

You think everyone else likes Gruppen and Five Pieces?  :o  What universe do you live in? It's definitely not the same as mine  ;D

Edit: I see that North Star beat me to the punch.

Quote from: North Star on June 13, 2014, 05:13:08 AM
'Everyone' likes Stocky Gruppen or Ligeti CC? Where do you hang out?  0:)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

mn dave


Jay F

Quote from: karlhenning on June 13, 2014, 05:03:43 AM
It took me quite a while to warm to them.  I just had to be ready, I think.

I took to Mahler the way I did the Beatles, immediately and with full fervor. He was the first composer I had a full shelf of when I started listening to classical music. I will never forget one foppish friend who asked me one day, "But you haven't yet listened to Brahms. You need to know Brahms before you can begin to appreciate Mahler."

To which I said, channeling Edna Krabappel, "Hah!"

Brian

Quote from: Jay F on June 13, 2014, 06:16:13 AMBut you haven't yet listened to Brahms. You need to know Brahms before you can begin to appreciate Mahler.

Really? That's odd. That's like saying you need to know Charleston before you can appreciate Vegas.

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

You need to know Palestrina before you can begin to appreciate Brahms.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Karl Henning

You need to know Leonin before you can appreciate Palestrina!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

EigenUser

Quote from: North Star on June 13, 2014, 05:13:08 AM
You can't afford being mad at others, Nate  8)
'Everyone' likes Stocky Gruppen or Ligeti CC? Where do you hang out?  0:)
But he meant he listens to a movement here, a movement there - hardly the same as listening to a whole symphony once a week or less often.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 13, 2014, 05:33:24 AM
You think everyone else likes Gruppen and Five Pieces?  :o  What universe do you live in? It's definitely not the same as mine  ;D

Edit: I see that North Star beat me to the punch.

Sarge

I guess those don't quite fit the title. It seems like most Ligeti fans love his CC, so I guess I was going by that. Also, I read in a concert review awhile ago something like "...and anyone who isn't a classical music dinosaur appreciated the fun of Gruppen." They didn't use these words, but that was the gist of what they were saying. Of course, that's just one writer's opinion.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

North Star

Quote from: EigenUser on June 13, 2014, 06:40:18 AMAlso, I read in a concert review awhile ago something like "...and anyone who isn't a classical music dinosaur appreciated the fun of Gruppen." They didn't use these words, but that was the gist of what they were saying. Of course, that's just one writer's opinion.
Indeed. One man writing that everyone likes something doesn't mean that everyone really likes it. Everyone knows that.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr