Your favorite chamber music composer

[HIPster]

I voted for Haydn. 

[Israfel the Black]

It's a toss up between Brahms and Beethoven. I must contemplate this some more before I vote.

[mszczuj]

Beethoven

[NLK1971]

Beethoven

Yeah, against the might of Beethoven's string quartets, nothing else stands any real chance.

[Florestan]

Yeah, against the might of Beethoven's string quartets, nothing else stands any real chance.

Oh, please! Come on, guys! If that were true, it would mean that anybody writing string quartets after Beethoven was just wasting his, and our, time. 

That's exactly like Orfeo claiming that any Andante not written by Haydn is worthless.

Bullshit, either way!

[Jo498]

Oh, please! Come on, guys! If that were true, it would mean that anybody writing string quartets after Beethoven was just wasting his, and our, time. 

It would not necessarily mean that. It would just mean that they were not quite as great as Beethoven's, which could still mean extraordinary good.

[North Star]

Oh, please! Come on, guys! If that were true, it would mean that anybody writing string quartets after Beethoven was just wasting his, and our, time. 

That's exactly like Orfeo claiming that any Andante not written by Haydn is worthless.

Bullshit, either way!

It's not exactly the same, as writing one beautiful Andante is enough to prove Orfeo wrong, but in order to show that NLK1971 is wrong, one would have to write a large enough group of quartets - say 6, like Bartók, or 15, like Shostakovich. One-offs like Ravel or Dutilleux, can't really be thought of as achievements of the same order.

[Mandryka]

It's not exactly the same, as writing one beautiful Andante is enough to prove Orfeo wrong, but in order to show that NLK1971 is wrong, one would have to write a large enough group of quartets - say 6, like Bartók, or 15, like Shostakovich. One-offs like Ravel or Dutilleux, can't really be thought of as achievements of the same order.

Or you might just do something which is so revolutionary - which so redefines the genre - that Beethoven and Haydn sound henceforward  like quaint old grandaddies with nothing important to say any more - just museum pieces, of interest only to academics.

I'm thinking of Lachenmann.

[The new erato]

Or you might just do something which is so revolutionary - which so redefines the genre - that Beethoven and Haydn .......

Just what those two guys did.

[Florestan]

Or you might just do something which is so revolutionary - which so redefines the genre - that Beethoven and Haydn sound henceforward  like quaint old grandaddies with nothing important to say any more - just museum pieces, of interest only to academics.

That's equally bullshit.

[not edward]

Or you might just do something which is so revolutionary - which so redefines the genre - that Beethoven and Haydn sound henceforward  like quaint old grandaddies with nothing important to say any more - just museum pieces, of interest only to academics.

I'm thinking of Lachenmann.

Might be interesting to ask Lachenmann about Beethoven and Haydn...


In thread duty: Brahms. (Beethoven wins on string quartets, Brahms on everything else.)

[Madiel]

That's exactly like Orfeo claiming that any Andante not written by Haydn is worthless.

Which is not what I claimed. Bloody hell you're annoying.

After telling me to calm down on the orchestral thread, you come over here and deliberately, flagrantly misrepresent what I said. And while everyone else is happily posting their favourites, you are STILL treating this as if you have to fight people over their personal preferences.

I expressed my love for Haydn's orchestral andantes. MINE. On a thread about favourite composers, not objectively best composers. And at no stage did I say that other composer's andantes are worthless.  I wouldn't say something so gob-smackingly stupid in a hundred years. For starters, I didn't even pick Haydn as my favourite orchestral composer. So just fuck off already.

[Brian]

Might be interesting to ask Lachenmann about Beethoven and Haydn...

Kind of like asking Feldman about Sibelius?

[EigenUser]

Kind of like asking Feldman about Sibelius?

I think that Sibelius was one of Feldman's favorite composers, along with Bartok.

[North Star]

I think that Sibelius was one of Feldman's favorite composers, along with Bartok.

In 1984, the great American avant-garde composer Morton Feldman gave a lecture at the relentlessly up-to-date Summer Courses for New Music, in Darmstadt, Germany. "The people who you think are radicals might really be conservatives," Feldman said on that occasion. "The people who you think are conservative might really be radical." And he began to hum the Sibelius Fifth.

[Brian]

Exactly why I said that.

[North Star]

Exactly why I said that.

I knew that, Brian.

[EigenUser]

Exactly why I said that.

I figured . Do you like Feldman, too?

[johnshade]

Bartok

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