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Quote from: vandermolen on June 13, 2018, 11:56:14 AMThanks Johan and Peter too - the PC sounds very good.
Quote from: Scion7 on September 18, 2020, 07:26:47 AMPapy Oil's discourse in another thread made me go exploring (I really had never heard this chap's work before, unless it was on WCPE in the background and it never registered.) After hearing a piano concerto, I'm on board! " He studied the piano from an early age, and in 1916 became organist and choirmaster at Floirac near Bordeaux ... In 1920, formed the Groupe des Trois with Émié and the composer Jean-Marcel Lizotte ... In 1927 came his first major success with the ballet La chatte ... From 1926 to 1936 (with interruptions for, among other works, a second opéra-bouffe, La contrebasse, and a fine ballet La nuit), he worked on a large-scale opera, La chartreuse de Parme ... musical influences suggest contemporary Russian symphonists, notably Prokofiev and Shostakovich ... Except for a brief period of military service, Sauguet spent WW II composing, helping his many Jewish friends as best he could ... The later decades were marked by several large-scale works, including the delightful opera Les caprices de Marianne (1954) ... Sauguet was active as a critic in the earlier part of his career, writing for L'Europe nouvelle (from 1929), Le jour (until 1939) and La bataille (1945– c1948). "Quite a list of works (incomplete):CHAMBER MUSIC=========================3 françaises, piano, 1923 Sonatine, flviolin, piano, 1923 3 nouvelles françaises, piano, 1925 Viñes aux mains de fée, pf duet, 1925, collab. Jacob Sonata, D, piano, 1926 Romance en ut, piano, 1929 Feuillets d'album, piano, 1929 Près du bal, clarinet, bassoon, piano, 1929 Chant nuptial, org, 1930 Divertissement de chambre, flute, clarinet, bassoon, va, piano, 1931 Les jeux de l'amour et du hasard, 2 piano, 1932 Pièces poétiques pour enfants, 2 sets, piano, 1933–4 Suite, clarinet, piano, 1935 Barcarolle bn/cello, hp/piano, 1936 Nuit coloniale sur les bords de la Seine, piano, 1937 Virgo selutaris, violin, org, 1940 Pastorale de septembre, piano, 1940 Str Qt no.1, 19415 images pour St Louis, flute, oboe, hpd, 1941 6 interludes, org, guitar, tambourine, 1942 Trio, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, 1946 Str Qt no.2, 1948 Bocages, 10 insts, 1949 Plainte, musical saw, piano, 1949 Valse brève, 2 piano, 1949 Espièglerie, piano, 1950 Sonata, cello, 1956 Le manègeà, piano, 1956 vapour Lente valse d'amour inquiet, piano, 1951 Le chant de l'oiseau qui n'existe pas, flute, 1957 Soliloque, guitar, 1958 Ballade, cello, piano, 1960 Harmonies du soir, piano, 1960 Suite royale, hpd, 1962 Prière nuptiale, org/hmn, 1962 Golden Suite, brass qnt, 1963 Cantilène, oboe, 1964 Hommage à Grevin, 8 insts, 1964 Oraison nuptiale, str, 1964 Sonatine bucolique, a sax, piano, 1964 La chanson du soir, piano, 1964 A Jean Voilier, piano, 1965 Le bestiaire du petit Noë, 10 Easy Pieces, piano, 1965–6 Max Jacob de lenimper, oboe, eng hn, clarinet, bassoon, 1966 6 fanfares, 2 trumpet, 4 tr bassoon, 1969 3 préludes, guitar, 1970 Sonatine aux bois, oboe, piano, 1971 Un soir à Saint-Emilion, bassoon, piano, 1971 Sonatine en 2 chants, clarinet, piano, 1972 3 pièces, viola, 1972 Choral varié, accordion, 1973 Petite valse du grand échiquier, pf/ens, 1973 Musique pour Claudel I, II, guitar, 1973 Bonjour Hèlène, Bonsoir Héléne, piano, 1973 Berceuse-valse, piano, 1974 Élègie pour Alain, piano, 1974 Hommageà Dmitri Chostakovich, piano, 1974 Une valse pour Jeanne, piano, 1974 Pour regarder Watteau, hpd, 1975 6 pièces faciles, flute, guitar, 1975 Sonatine en deux chants et un intermède, clarinet, piano, 1975 Alentours saxophoniques, a sax, wind, piano, 1976 Le jardin de Mamy, piano, 1976 Oraisons, 4 sax, org, 1976 Str Qt no. 3, 1979 Concert à trois pour Fronsac, flute, sax, hp, 1979 Nec morietur in aeternam, trumpet, org, 1979 Sonate crépusculaire, violin, piano, 1981 Quelques trilles pour les treilles, flute, 1982 Portrait-Souvenir de Virgil Thomson, piano, 1982 Le souvenir de Déodat, piano, 1983 Méditation, string quartet, 1983 Une fleur, sax, piano, 1984 Un duo, flute, piano, 1984 Cadence, guitar, 1985 Révérence à J.S. Bach, guitar, cello, 1985 Valse anachronique, piano, 1985 Introductions aux Méditations religieuses de Max Jacoboe, piano, 1985 Ombres sur Venise, piano, 1986 90 notes, flute, 1986ORCHESTRAL MUSIC==================================== Danse de matelots, 1923 Pf Conc. no.1, 1934 Symphonie de la montagne (Premier de cordée), 1944 Symphonie expiatoire, 1945 Stèle symphonique, 1948 Pf Conc. no.2 (Rêverie concertante), 1948 [from film score Les amoureux sont seuls au monde] Sym. no.2 'Allégorique' (Les saisons), S, chorus, children's chorus, orch, 1949 Tableaux de Paris, sym. suite, 1950 Variation sur un thème de Campra, 1952 Conc. d'Orphée, vn, orch, 1953 Les 3 lys, 1954 Sym. no.3 'I N R', 1955 Variation en forme de berceuse, 1956 La solitude, 1958 Pf Conc. no.3 (Concert des mondes souterrains), 1961–3 Mélodie concertante, vc, orch, 1963 2 mouvements, str, 1964 Symphonie des marches, 1966 Garden's Conc., harmonica, chbr orch, 1970 Sym. no.4 'Du troisième âge', 1971 Reflets sur feuilles, 1979 [after Debussy: Feuilles mortes] Sonate d'église, org, str, 1984 Septembre, 1986Musique concrete==================================Spectacle Jean Tardieu (1955) Le temps du verbe (1956) 1er aspect sentimental (1957) Le rêve d'Isa, composition métaphonique, 1962 [for the film Les Amants de Teruel]BALLET, etc.====================================== Les roses (after O. Métra: La valse), 1924 [lost] La chatte (B.A. Kochno), 1927 David (Doderet), 1928 Près du bal, 1929 La nuit (Kochno), 1929 Fastes (A. Derain), 1933 Cartes postales, 1941 La cigale et la fourmi (J. Chernais after J. de LanFotaine), 1941 Les mirages (Cassandre, S. Lifar), 1943 Image à Paul et Virginie, 1944 Les forains (Kochno), 1945 La rencontre (Kochno), 1948 Pas de deux classique, 1951, lost Les saisons, 1951 Cordelia (Sauguet), 1952 Trésor et magie, 1952 [lost] Le cardinal aux chats (Sauguet), 1952 Le caméléopard (A. Vigot, after E.A. Poe), 1956 Les 5 étages (R. Liechtenhan, W. Orlikowsky P.J. de Béranger), 1957 La dame aux camélias (T. Gsovsky, after A. Dumas), 1957, [rev. 1960] La solitude (Sauguet, R. Cluzel), 1958 L'as de coeur (C. Aveline), 1960 Plus loin que la nuit et le jour (cant-ballet, L. Emié), T, chorus, 1960 Pâris (Kochno), 1964 Le prince et le mendiant (ballet-mimodrame, Kochno), 1965 Much incid music for the theatre, cinema, radio and televisionOPERA==========================Le plumet du colonel (ob, 1, Sauguet), 1924, Paris, Champs-Elysées, 27 Feb 1924La contrebasse (ob, 2, H. Troyat, after A.P. Chekhov: Romance with a Double Bass), 1930, Paris, Madeleine, 1930La chartreuse de Parme (4, A. Lunel, after Stendhal), 1927–36, Paris, Opéra, 6 March 1939; rev. 1968La gageure imprévue (oc, 1, P Bertin, after M.J. Sedaine), 1942, Paris, OC (Favart), 4 July 1944Les caprices de Marianne (2, J.-P. Grédy, after A. de Musset), 1954, Aix-en-Provence, 1954Le pain d'autrui (2, E. Kinds, after I.S. Turgenev), 1967–74Boule de suif (comédie musicale, A. Husson and J. Meyer, after G. de Maupassant), 1978, Lyons, Célestins, Dec 1978Tistou, les-pouces-verts (children's op, 1, J.-L. Tardieu, after M. Druon), 1980, Paris, Jardin d'Acclimatation, 1981CHORAL & SONGS================================================== Petite messe pastorale, female or children's chorus, org, 1934 Enigme (H. Heine), S, orch, 1932 La voyante (Sauguet), cant, female v, 10 insts, 1932 Les ombres du jardin (J. Weterings), cant, S, T, Bar, B, male chorus 4vv, wind 1938 Cantique à St Vincent, chorus 3vv, org, 1940 Madrigal (J. Aubry), S, fl, str trio, harp, 1942 Beauté, retirez-vous (G. Couturier), S, fl, va, vc, hp/hpd, 1943 Ma belle forêt (G. Pajot), chorus, 1943 Je vous salue, Marie, S, org, 1943 Les 4 saisons, children's chorus, 1949 [from Sym. no.2] La cornette (R.M. Rilke), B/Bar, orch, 1951 Mouton-blanc (Princess Bibesco), chorus, 1952 Requiem aeternam, chorus, org, 1954 Tombeau d'un berger (L. Jacques), 2 Bar, 2B, 1956 [lost] Pie Jesu Domine, chorus, org, 1957 Requiem aeternam, libera me, Pie Jesu, Allelulia, chorus 4vv, 1959 [from film score Tu es Petrus] Plus loin que la nuit et le jour (L. Emié), cant, T, chorus, 1960 L'oiseau a vu tout cela (J. Cayrol), cant, Bar, str, 1960 5 chansons (Emié), 4vv, 1965 Toast, male v, 1965 Ecce homo, chorus, 1965 Chant pour une vieille meurtrie (M.A. Monfet), orat, 6 solo vv, chorus, orch, 1967 3 chants de contemplation (Lao-Tseu), v, pf 1971 [also version for rec/brass/wind qt] Elisabeth de Belgique, la reine aux cheveux d'or (M. Carême), S, 6 insts, 1976 Par-delà les étoiles (J.L. Wallas), S, T, chorus, org, hp, ondes mar, cel, glock, 1982 Messe jubilatoire, B, T, str qt, 1983 Cirque, 5 songs for voice and piano La Voyante (The Fortune-Teller), for voice and piano Le Chemin des Forains, for voice and piano Les Animaux et leurs Hommes, song cycle for voice and piano Le Chat, for voice and piano 6 Mélodies sur des poèmes symbolistes, for voice and piano Îles, for voice and piano L'espace du dedans, for voice and piano Force et Faiblesse, song cycle for voice and piano Comme à la Lumière de la Lune, for voice and piano Visions Infernales, song cycle
Quote from: Papy Oli on September 18, 2020, 05:08:55 AMHenri Sauguet is the French composer I am exploring today. I was really impressed by his 1st symphony recently, upon Jeffrey's (Vandermolen) recommendations. I'll be exploring his symphonies 2 (playing now), 3, 4, his three string quartets, his mélodies (songs), and some ballet music as well. Also some guitar music.
Quote from: aligreto on September 18, 2020, 05:14:56 AMOnce again, I know nothing of this composer so I look forward to some recommendations here.
Quote from: Papy Oli on September 18, 2020, 05:58:24 AMSo far, his symphony No.2 is surprisingly very engrossing. I wasn't convinced to start off with, with the soprano and the choir, but they just draw you in, like in a tale, through the seasons. Very atmospheric, sometimes eerie. Definitely a work where some narration would fit right in, like in Children of Lir actually (I can't believe I would miss/consider narration !!). Worth it if in the right mood.Couldn't be any more different to what I discovered with his First either.
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 18, 2020, 06:08:40 AMWell, I just listened to some long 'samples' of some of Sauget's works: Les Forains, Tableaux de Paris, and his first symphony and what I heard left me feeling "Eh". It felt very retro to me...unexciting. Pleasant and charming for Les Forains and the Tableaux, but not memorable. Perhaps it was my mood? Would be interesting to hear others thoughts here.PD
Quote from: André on September 18, 2020, 08:59:59 AMMore likely it's the genre, PD. French composers were often adept at writing charming light music with ease, so judging from that end of their output may lead one to believe they have little depth or originality. Like Florent Schmitt. Imagine coming to him through Le petit elfe Ferme-l'oeil (charming work). You'd never think he had stuff like the piano quintet, Psaume XLVII or La tragédie de Salomé in him.For meaty, serious Sauguet, the symphonies nos 3 and 4 and the piano concerto may help you reconsider.
Quote from: Papy Oli on September 18, 2020, 08:19:22 AMI have sampled those two (guitar music, songs) but they didn't work for me. Madiel,You might want to check out the Melodies/Songs one just in case it hits the mark for you.
Quote from: Madiel on September 18, 2020, 01:57:51 PMOkay, I'm not loving the Sauguet.I lasted with Symphony No.3 for only a couple of minutes before thinking no, that's not what I want right now. So I switched to String Quartet No.3, and while I've had it on for a bit longer I'm not feeling inspired. I can hear some of the same uninteresting qualities. Sure, it could be the performers (there's only 1 to choose from on Primephonic in each case)... or it could be that the music is a bit dull.Switching to that Melodies album... hmm, could I find the words somewhere? That'd help me. But see, now I have to work out if it's the music that's flat or only the singer. Because the singer is definitely not impressing me.I'd really like... a spark of energy somewhere. And I can't be certain whether this is just a run of flat performances or whether the music itself is flat.
Quote from: Papy Oli on September 19, 2020, 12:59:31 AMThey list his songs here but at a glance, not many have the lyrics. Some have.https://www.lieder.net/lieder/get_settings.html?ComposerId=2462I already struggle with songs in French but there were also too much "mannerism" in the singing, that really put me off.
Quote from: Papy Oli on September 19, 2020, 02:33:22 AMDifferent day, different reaction. Didn't click at all with Sauguet's symphonies No.3 & 4. Sampled about half of Les Forains ballet music as well. Bit underwhelmed too. Trying his String quartets right now.Oh well.
Quote from: aligreto on September 20, 2020, 01:58:10 AMI have been doing some exploratory listening to Sauguet's music over the last couple of days as I also know nothing of this composer. I started with the Sauget thread, Sauget's Sanctum, started by Jeffrey when he was a young man. In the opening post Jeffrey offers a link to the opening of Symphony which I found that I very much like. I like its noble grandeur, its rich but bleak musical language and the wonderful harmonies that it employs. I will certainly follow up on this one. The Piano Concerto I thought was a very fine work. I like the wistfulness of both its nature and tone. I have also sampled his guitar music and from what I have heard I find it engaging if not completely compelling. I then sampled his Garden's Concerto for harmonica which I duly abandoned.Finally, I discovered the String Quartets. These, I found to be a delight. I liked the melodic and harmonic structure of these intriguing works. No. 3, in particular, demanded my attention. I found it very challenging but I know that I will ultimately find it very rewarding.Just like Varese earlier, these are two composers to whom I have had no previous exposure. However, that has obviously changed and I will definitely pursue both of these further.
Quote from: Scion7 on September 20, 2020, 05:06:13 AMDid you hear this (Sauguet) in the version for oboe?
Quote from: aligreto on September 20, 2020, 05:21:56 AMNo, with the harmonica....https://www.youtube.com/v/2j4Fqsm3qa4....although I could see how it might work for oboe. The voicing might make a difference all right.
Quote from: Scion7 on September 20, 2020, 05:53:24 AMtry this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSYiyHyeBqE
Quote from: aligreto on September 20, 2020, 07:57:20 AMThank you. I will investigate with no preconceptions
Quote from: Scion7 on September 20, 2020, 08:07:49 AMthe oboe is infinitely better for classical music!
Quote from: Roy Bland on May 31, 2021, 06:04:36 PMSauguet is a very underrated composer (IMHO symphonies aren't best part of his opus) and also ballets canadian disc it's done rather sloppily in sound,playing and organization of tracks
Quote from: vandermolen on August 31, 2021, 09:10:53 AMI was surprised and delighted to see that there exists a boxed set of the complete Sauguet symphonies (Antonio de Almeida cond. Moscow SO, previously released on Marco Polo):
Quote from: André on August 31, 2021, 09:18:35 AMThat's the one I have !
Quote from: vandermolen on August 31, 2021, 09:33:34 AMExcellent André - the big question is do I need this boxed set? I already have all the individual Marco Polo releases of the same recordings and I suspect that the box set notes are all in French (no problem for you, but I failed my French 'O' (Ordinary) Level exam three times at school!) However, it's useful to have all the symphonies grouped together in a single box and there's a nice photo of Sauguet on the front cover which I've never seen before - looks like a no-brainer!
Quote from: ritter on August 31, 2021, 11:38:00 AMAs I mentioned in the first page of this thread, I'm not really that much into the music of Sauguet.....but, the enthusiasm of some fellow GMGerss has led me to do some more research, and it turns out the Sauguet set to music a paragraph from Proust's Les plaisirs et les jours. It's included in this CD (with mélodies on texts by othe4 major poets), and I've just ordered it.Does anyone know this disc? Who knows, if I like it, I might even go for the set of the symphonies.
Quote from: André on August 31, 2021, 03:51:12 PMYou're right my friend, it's all in French. It's part of Naxos' Patrimoine series, which I believe to have been produced exclusively for the french market (d'Indy, Ferroud and a few others are part pf that series). The notes are very good, the text of the 2nd symphony is included but alas, no translation. The presentation is chic, which is a plus .
Quote from: André on August 31, 2021, 03:53:51 PMTry one of the symphonies, Rafael - any of them (1 occupies a disc, 2 two discs, while 3 and 4 are paired on a single disc). Sauguet became more succinct over time. Personally I have a weak spot for the last 2 symphonies, I like their austerity and boldness.
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