Favorite Morton Feldman "_____ and Orchestra"

Started by EigenUser, January 26, 2015, 03:36:45 PM

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Which is it?

Cello and Orchestra
Flute and Orchestra
Oboe and Orchestra
Piano and Orchestra
Violin and Orchestra
I haven't heard any of them
String Quartet and Orchestra

EigenUser

I wonder if anyone will notice this thread...

By the way, by "_____" I'm referring to "solo instrument" (so Chorus and Orchestra 1&2 don't count).

I like all of them, but Cello and Orchestra gets my vote.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Ken B

I play them all at one tome. I call it Orchestra and Orchestra.

Artem

I think I only heard Violin and Orchestra. I like it. The rest are on my to listen list.

not edward

Piano and Orchestra for me. You missed out String Quartet and Orchestra, though. :P
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

EigenUser

Quote from: edward on January 26, 2015, 05:35:59 PM
Piano and Orchestra for me. You missed out String Quartet and Orchestra, though. :P
Shoot! I meant to include it, too (since it is a kind of concerto). I'll add it.

I love Piano and Orchestra. The "sudden loud parts" give me quite a scare, though.

Quote from: Artem on January 26, 2015, 04:30:51 PM
I think I only heard Violin and Orchestra. I like it. The rest are on my to listen list.
I admit, that is actually the one I don't like as much as the others. I think it is just my general aversion to violin concertos (which is weird to begin with, because I play violin...).

Quote from: Ken B on January 26, 2015, 04:28:27 PM
I play them all at one tome. I call it Orchestra and Orchestra.
He did write one simply called Orchestra. It's great, but it sounds like Webern so you probably wouldn't like it.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

springrite

Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

EigenUser

Quote from: springrite on January 27, 2015, 06:32:06 AM
Cello, by a nose ahead of the flute.
Team cello!

Honestly, I'm surprised that three other people voted.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

springrite

Flute is very good, too. Feldman has a way with the flute, especially if the player is Dorothy Stone!

(I assume you'd expect that I'd vote?)
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

EigenUser

Quote from: springrite on January 27, 2015, 07:55:35 AM
Flute is very good, too. Feldman has a way with the flute, especially if the player is Dorothy Stone!

(I assume you'd expect that I'd vote?)
Yes, I did ;D. Now I'm waiting on milk. He's a huge Feldmanite (hey, that kind of sounds like a kind of rock, or mineral...). Maybe he just didn't comment.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

jochanaan

Not having much time or equipment to listen these days, I hadn't heard any of them yet despite my fondness for Piano and String Quartet.  But when I saw this poll, of course I had to look up Oboe and Orchestra! :laugh: ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Artem

Does anyone have favorites among the recordings of these works?

EigenUser

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Quote from: Artem on January 27, 2015, 10:57:46 AM
Does anyone have favorites among the recordings of these works?
Yes:
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This disk contains Coptic Light, Piano and Orchestra, and Cello and Orchestra. I think that they are superior readings of all three. Coptic Light is beautifully read, as are the other two. The only alternative Cello and Orchestra is this one:
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which really sucks because it sounds like a great performance, too, but there are a lot of irritating extraneous vocal/electronic noises (I even found the score online to check if they were intentional since it was the only recording I knew at first! Of course they weren't -- this is Feldman, not Stockhausen). I think it is some idiot(s) booing and hissing since it is a live performance -- maybe tape hiss, too. Hard to tell. It also has Flute and Orchestra and Oboe and Orchestra.

The only recording of Violin and Orchestra that I know is this one. I've heard it a few times.
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I've heard SQ&Orch on YouTube before, but I can't find a recording of it. And I still forgot to add it to the poll! I'll do that right now...

I thought about adding The Viola in my Life IV, but then my neat little thread title wouldn't work. :(
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Mandryka

#12
Quote from: Artem on January 27, 2015, 10:57:46 AM
Does anyone have favorites among the recordings of these works?

Yes



I don't have a problem with the sound, though there are noises as described above.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Corey

I'll have to give all of these a relisten, but I remember Flute and Orchestra making the biggest impression on me.

bhodges

I chose "Piano and Orchestra," but have only heard 3 of these (also violin and cello - like both). Have been eyeing many of the recordings mentioned here for awhile.

--Bruce

Sergeant Rock

String Quartet and Orchestra gets the vote. I like "Piano" too.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

EigenUser

Quote from: Brewski on January 29, 2015, 03:31:17 AM
I chose "Piano and Orchestra," but have only heard 3 of these (also violin and cello - like both). Have been eyeing many of the recordings mentioned here for awhile.

--Bruce
You have to hear the MTT Coptic Light performance if you haven't already. It's stunning. I have heard a few others and nothing else comes close for me. It is a slightly faster tempo than normal, but it works so well. The timpani/harp parts are extremely well balanced (Feldman uses the extreme low range of the harp is used as a percussive effect, giving it a similar sound to that of the timpani). For some reason, the whole piece reminds me of a lava-lamp slowly changing shape.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2015, 03:48:53 AM
String Quartet and Orchestra gets the vote. I like "Piano" too.

Sarge
Great! I didn't know you liked Feldman...
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: EigenUser on January 29, 2015, 06:01:47 AM
Great! I didn't know you liked Feldman...

Some pieces more than others. Crippled Symmetry and Piano and String Quartet are my favorites.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

not edward

Quote from: EigenUser on January 29, 2015, 06:01:47 AM
You have to hear the MTT Coptic Light performance if you haven't already. It's stunning.
It's a great disc, and criminally OOP. I like the Gielen Coptic Light too, but MTT is my go-to recording for all three works.
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

bhodges

Quote from: EigenUser on January 29, 2015, 06:01:47 AM
You have to hear the MTT Coptic Light performance if you haven't already. It's stunning. I have heard a few others and nothing else comes close for me. It is a slightly faster tempo than normal, but it works so well. The timpani/harp parts are extremely well balanced (Feldman uses the extreme low range of the harp is used as a percussive effect, giving it a similar sound to that of the timpani). For some reason, the whole piece reminds me of a lava-lamp slowly changing shape.

I've only hesitated - not quite the right word - because I've been distracted by another recording, on this Concertgebouw box from 1990-2000 - a live one conducted by Peter Eötvös (Oct. 30, 1998). At some point, will get the others cited and do an A/B/C comparison.

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--Bruce