The Major Orchestral Scores since World-War II

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EigenUser

#20
March 22, 2015, 02:51:13 AM
Quote from: amw on March 21, 2015, 07:18:32 PM
Barraqué - Concerto
Cage - Seventy-Four, Concert for Piano and Orchestra
Feldman - Coptic Light
Glass - 'Heroes' & 'Low' Symphonies
Rochberg - Violin Concerto
Mahler/Cooke et al. - Symphony No. 10
Gorecki - Symphony of Sorrowful Songs
Boulez - Pli selon pli

etc
I almost put Coptic Light, but I didn't feel like defending it if/when people argued about it.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

amw

#21
March 22, 2015, 03:05:02 AM
Quote from: ritter on March 22, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
I don't... ;D
Nor do I... but they're definitely major and orchestral. And scores. >.>

Christo

#22
April 01, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
1940s:
Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Brian, Sinfonia Tragica (1948)
Berkeley, Concerto for two pianos (1948)

1950s:
Honegger, Symphony No. 5 Di Tre Re (1951)
Ginastera, Variaciones concertantes (1953)
Tubin, Symphony No. 6  (1954)
Vaughan Williams, Symphony No. 9  (1958)
Vermeulen, Les minutes heureuses (1958).

1960s:
Arnold, Guitar concerto (1960)
Barber, Piano concerto (1962)
Hindemith, Concerto per organo (1962)
Tubin, Symphony No. 8 (1966)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 9 (1969)

1970s:
Shostakovich, Symphony No. 15 (1971)
Kokkonen, Symphony No. 4 (1971)
Rubbra. Sinfonia da camara (1974)
Englund, Symphony No. 4 Nostalgic (1976)
Tippett, Symphony No. 4 (1977)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)

1980s:
Nassidze, Concerto for violin, cello and chamber orchestra (1982)
Saygun, Symphony No. 5 (1985)
Gubaidulina, Offertorium (1986)
Arnold, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Simpson, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Braga Santos, Cello concerto (1987)

1990s:
Eshpai, Symphony No. 7 (1992)
Lutosławski, Symphony No. 4 (1992)
Rautavaara, Angel of Light (1994)
Schnittke, Symphony No. 8 (1994)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 13 (1994)
Kinsella, Symphony No. 7, for wordless chorus & o. (1997)

2000s:
Vasks, Symphony No. 2 (2000)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
Aho, Symphonic Dances, Symphonies
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

vandermolen

#23
April 01, 2015, 05:43:56 AM Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 05:46:12 AM by vandermolen
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
1940s:
Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Brian, Sinfonia Tragica (1948)
Berkeley, Concerto for two pianos (1948)

1950s:
Honegger, Symphony No. 5 Di Tre Re (1951)
Ginastera, Variaciones concertantes (1953)
Tubin, Symphony No. 6  (1954)
Vaughan Williams, Symphony No. 9  (1958)
Vermeulen, Les minutes heureuses (1958).

1960s:
Arnold, Guitar concerto (1960)
Barber, Piano concerto (1962)
Hindemith, Concerto per organo (1962)
Tubin, Symphony No. 8 (1966)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 9 (1969)

1970s:
Shostakovich, Symphony No. 15 (1971)
Kokkonen, Symphony No. 4 (1971)
Rubbra. Sinfonia da camara (1974)
Englund, Symphony No. 4 Nostalgic (1976)
Tippett, Symphony No. 4 (1977)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)

1980s:
Nassidze, Concerto for violin, cello and chamber orchestra (1982)
Saygun, Symphony No. 5 (1985)
Gubaidulina, Offertorium (1986)
Arnold, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Simpson, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Braga Santos, Cello concerto (1987)

1990s:
Eshpai, Symphony No. 7 (1992)
Lutosławski, Symphony No. 4 (1992)
Rautavaara, Angel of Light (1994)
Schnittke, Symphony No. 8 (1994)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 13 (1994)
Kinsella, Symphony No. 7, for wordless chorus & o. (1997)

2000s:
Vasks, Symphony No. 2 (2000)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
Aho, Symphonic Dances, Symphonies
What a terrific list! I agree with all the ones I know. I really like Eshpai's 4th and 5th symphonies but don't know the others. Rautavaara's 8th Symphony as well as No. 7. I would add Kabelac's (sorry Johan I don't know how to do the Czech accents on my computer  ::)) 'Mystery of Time' (1953-57) - a terrific score. Have just come into work ( ::)) to pick up the new Naxos 'Sinfonia Tragica' which I cant wait to hear.
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'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Cato

#24
April 01, 2015, 06:12:23 AM
I have skimmed through the lists and am appalled by the absence of the 8 symphonies of Karl Amadeus Hartmann and the 7 symphonies of Ernst Toch!

(If someone did include something by them, thank you!)

So now those gaps have been fixed!   8)
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San Antone

#25
April 01, 2015, 06:39:48 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
1940s:
Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Brian, Sinfonia Tragica (1948)
Berkeley, Concerto for two pianos (1948)

1950s:
Honegger, Symphony No. 5 Di Tre Re (1951)
Ginastera, Variaciones concertantes (1953)
Tubin, Symphony No. 6  (1954)
Vaughan Williams, Symphony No. 9  (1958)
Vermeulen, Les minutes heureuses (1958).

1960s:
Arnold, Guitar concerto (1960)
Barber, Piano concerto (1962)
Hindemith, Concerto per organo (1962)
Tubin, Symphony No. 8 (1966)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 9 (1969)

1970s:
Shostakovich, Symphony No. 15 (1971)
Kokkonen, Symphony No. 4 (1971)
Rubbra. Sinfonia da camara (1974)
Englund, Symphony No. 4 Nostalgic (1976)
Tippett, Symphony No. 4 (1977)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)

1980s:
Nassidze, Concerto for violin, cello and chamber orchestra (1982)
Saygun, Symphony No. 5 (1985)
Gubaidulina, Offertorium (1986)
Arnold, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Simpson, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Braga Santos, Cello concerto (1987)

1990s:
Eshpai, Symphony No. 7 (1992)
Lutosławski, Symphony No. 4 (1992)
Rautavaara, Angel of Light (1994)
Schnittke, Symphony No. 8 (1994)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 13 (1994)
Kinsella, Symphony No. 7, for wordless chorus & o. (1997)

2000s:
Vasks, Symphony No. 2 (2000)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
Aho, Symphonic Dances, Symphonies

Very conservative list, but some good works nonetheless.  There has been a lot of orchestral music written by a number of composers (Cage, Feldman, Grisey, Murial, Scelsi, Sciarinno, Lachenmann, Kurtag, Wuorinen, Boulez, etc.) that you don't seem to care about, which is an option, of course.

Karl Henning

#26
April 01, 2015, 06:41:02 AM
Not everything can matter to all of us   0:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

San Antone

#27
April 01, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2015, 06:41:02 AM
Not everything can matter to all of us   0:)

That's right; not much from his list does to me:

Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)

;)

Mirror Image

#28
April 01, 2015, 06:47:31 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
1940s:
Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Brian, Sinfonia Tragica (1948)
Berkeley, Concerto for two pianos (1948)

1950s:
Honegger, Symphony No. 5 Di Tre Re (1951)
Ginastera, Variaciones concertantes (1953)
Tubin, Symphony No. 6  (1954)
Vaughan Williams, Symphony No. 9  (1958)
Vermeulen, Les minutes heureuses (1958).

1960s:
Arnold, Guitar concerto (1960)
Barber, Piano concerto (1962)
Hindemith, Concerto per organo (1962)
Tubin, Symphony No. 8 (1966)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 9 (1969)

1970s:
Shostakovich, Symphony No. 15 (1971)
Kokkonen, Symphony No. 4 (1971)
Rubbra. Sinfonia da camara (1974)
Englund, Symphony No. 4 Nostalgic (1976)
Tippett, Symphony No. 4 (1977)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)

1980s:
Nassidze, Concerto for violin, cello and chamber orchestra (1982)
Saygun, Symphony No. 5 (1985)
Gubaidulina, Offertorium (1986)
Arnold, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Simpson, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Braga Santos, Cello concerto (1987)

1990s:
Eshpai, Symphony No. 7 (1992)
Lutosławski, Symphony No. 4 (1992)
Rautavaara, Angel of Light (1994)
Schnittke, Symphony No. 8 (1994)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 13 (1994)
Kinsella, Symphony No. 7, for wordless chorus & o. (1997)

2000s:
Vasks, Symphony No. 2 (2000)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
Aho, Symphonic Dances, Symphonies

Great list, Johan. I love many of these works. 8)

Karl Henning

#29
April 01, 2015, 06:50:03 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on April 01, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
That's right; not much from his list does to me:

Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)

;)

Well, and I love the Ginastera Variaciones concertantes, but . . . a major score?  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Christo

#30
April 01, 2015, 07:37:30 AM Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 07:54:33 AM by Christo
Quote from: sanantonio on April 01, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
That's right; not much from his list does to me:

Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
;)

Yet, we seem to share much more in the field of choral pieces.  :)

Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2015, 06:50:03 AMWell, and I love the Ginastera Variaciones concertantes, but . . . a major score?  8)

I simply love it, too.  ;) And would even dare to call the Finale 'great'.  But you're right: in compliance with other discussions on this board, I decided to neglect 'greatness' and list whatever makes a strong impression on me, rather than worry about such an elusive category.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

San Antone

#31
April 01, 2015, 07:46:18 AM Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 07:49:50 AM by sanantonio
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 07:37:30 AM
Yet, we seem to share much more in the field of choral pieces.  :)

Yes.  Probably because for me choral music fails to the extent it is harshly dissonant, whereas instrumental music can support a level of dissonance and experimentalism that vocal music cannot, according to my taste.  Conversely, to the extent orchestral music deploys a conservative palette, it tends to interest me less than a more challenging rhetoric.

Karl Henning

#32
April 01, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 07:37:30 AM
I simply love it, too.  ;) And would even dare to call the Finale 'great'.  But you're right: in compliance with other discussions on this board, I decided to neglect 'greatness' and list whatever makes a strong impression on me, rather than worry about such an elusive category.

Understood, no worries (not that you were worried).
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

San Antone

#33
April 01, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 07:37:30 AM
But you're right: in compliance with other discussions on this board, I decided to neglect 'greatness' and list whatever makes a strong impression on me, rather than worry about such an elusive category.

;D

Hope this idea catches on!

North Star

#34
April 01, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Perhaps a separate list is needed for those that aren't written in a major key.
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Christo

#35
April 01, 2015, 01:24:49 PM Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 10:36:00 PM by Christo
Quote from: sanantonio on April 01, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
;D

Hope this idea catches on!

If only a list like this would tease some unnamed members of this board a bit who may be overimpressed by a certain *) conception of 'greatness'.  :)


*) i.e. absolutist / mould in concrete / totalitarian / overnormative / humourless / stodgy / turgid / funny &c.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Ken B

#36
April 01, 2015, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
1940s:
Stravinsky, Symphony in three movements (1945)
Brian, Sinfonia Tragica (1948)
Berkeley, Concerto for two pianos (1948)

1950s:
Honegger, Symphony No. 5 Di Tre Re (1951)
Ginastera, Variaciones concertantes (1953)
Tubin, Symphony No. 6  (1954)
Vaughan Williams, Symphony No. 9  (1958)
Vermeulen, Les minutes heureuses (1958).

1960s:
Arnold, Guitar concerto (1960)
Barber, Piano concerto (1962)
Hindemith, Concerto per organo (1962)
Tubin, Symphony No. 8 (1966)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 9 (1969)

1970s:
Shostakovich, Symphony No. 15 (1971)
Kokkonen, Symphony No. 4 (1971)
Rubbra. Sinfonia da camara (1974)
Englund, Symphony No. 4 Nostalgic (1976)
Tippett, Symphony No. 4 (1977)
Dutilleux, Timbres, espace, mouvement (1978)

1980s:
Nassidze, Concerto for violin, cello and chamber orchestra (1982)
Saygun, Symphony No. 5 (1985)
Gubaidulina, Offertorium (1986)
Arnold, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Simpson, Symphony No. 9 (1986)
Braga Santos, Cello concerto (1987)

1990s:
Eshpai, Symphony No. 7 (1992)
Lutosławski, Symphony No. 4 (1992)
Rautavaara, Angel of Light (1994)
Schnittke, Symphony No. 8 (1994)
Holmboe, Symphony No. 13 (1994)
Kinsella, Symphony No. 7, for wordless chorus & o. (1997)

2000s:
Vasks, Symphony No. 2 (2000)
Pärt, Lennartile (2006)
Aho, Symphonic Dances, Symphonies

Interesting list. Some pieces I will explore.
And as ever, big plus 1 to the greatest modern symphony that I know of, Simpson 9.

Mirror Image

#37
April 03, 2015, 06:41:28 PM Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 06:03:24 AM by Mirror Image
Why does everything, especially in these polls created by James have to be the major or the greatest? I am of no authority to tell anyone whether something is the greatest or the best. My list, however, will be nothing more than personal favorites since WWII.

I'll just go with 10 favorites (in no particular order):

RVW: Symphony No. 8 (1953-55)
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 3 (1945)
Part: Symphony No. 3 (1971)
Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 (1947-48)
Barber: Cello Concerto (1945)
Villa-Lobos: Gênesis (1954)
Stravinsky: Agon (1957)
Tippett: Fantasia Concertante on a Theme of Corelli (1953)
Adams: Harmonielehre (1985)
Schnittke: Symphony No. 4 (1983)

vandermolen

#38
April 04, 2015, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 03, 2015, 06:41:28 PM
Why does everything, especially in these polls created by James have to be the major or the greatest? I am of no authority to tell anyone whether something is the greatest or the best. My list, however, will be nothing more than personal favorites since WWII.

I'll just go with 10 favorites (in no particular order):

RVW: Symphony No. 8 (1953-55)
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 5 (1945)
Part: Symphony No. 3 (1971)
Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 (1947-48)
Barber: Cello Concerto (1945)
Villa-Lobos: Gênesis (1954)
Stravinsky: Agon (1957)
Tippett: Fantasia Concertante on a Theme of Corelli (1953)
Adams: Harmonielehre (1985)
Schnittke: Symphony No. 4 (1983)

Great list but do you mean Bartok PC No.3?
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

EigenUser

#39
April 04, 2015, 02:19:09 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 03, 2015, 06:41:28 PM
Why does everything, especially in these polls created by James have to be the major or the greatest? I am of no authority to tell anyone whether something is the greatest or the best. My list, however, will be nothing more than personal favorites since WWII.

I'll just go with 10 favorites (in no particular order):

RVW: Symphony No. 8 (1953-55)
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 5 (1945)
Part: Symphony No. 3 (1971)
Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 (1947-48)
Barber: Cello Concerto (1945)
Villa-Lobos: Gênesis (1954)
Stravinsky: Agon (1957)
Tippett: Fantasia Concertante on a Theme of Corelli (1953)
Adams: Harmonielehre (1985)
Schnittke: Symphony No. 4 (1983)
Oh my god!!! Bartok wrote a 5th PC?! Where? wHERE?!?!!?!  :o :o :o

Just kidding, I think you meant to say #2, but that was written before WWII ;D :P 0:).
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".
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