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Elgarian Redux

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 08, 2025, 09:01:47 AMMy teaching assistantship at Buffalo was the Music History for non-majors, and the professor's prime example for Wagner was the closing scene for Die Walküre, so I've known where this was headed. Now, having seen the whole, I find it magnificent.

Fabulous. I'm so pleased the effort was rewarded.

Karl Henning

Just finished Siegfried. Now I know whence the Siegfried-Idyll. Highly gratifying. Separately: "May your end be blissful, immortal race!" A meaning of "immortal" with which I was hitherto unfamiliar....
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 09, 2025, 07:22:17 PMSeparately: "May your end be blissful, immortal race!" A meaning of "immortal" with which I was hitherto unfamiliar....

Reminds me of these lines from a Romanian nationalist song:

The brave Dacians, immortal race,
Once ruled this land.


Makes one wonder how did king Decebalus manage to kill himself...

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Elgarian Redux

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 09, 2025, 07:22:17 PMJust finished Siegfried. Now I know whence the Siegfried-Idyll. Highly gratifying. Separately: "May your end be blissful, immortal race!" A meaning of "immortal" with which I was hitherto unfamiliar....

Hey, you are ripping along! Hoorah!
(Just between you and me, Siefried is the part of the Ring that I find hardest to get involved in.)

Karl Henning

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Götterdämmerung Gotta say: I love the color of that  opening chord. I'm really just starting it. I've got a Henning Ensemble rehearsal at 6:30 and then my Utah première at 9:30.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 10, 2025, 12:48:05 PMGötterdämmerung Gotta say: I love the color of that  ooening chord. I'm really just starting it. I've got a Henning Ensemble rehearsal at 6:30 and then Mt Utah première at 9:30.

Three oboes, three clarinets, four horns, and a bass trumpet.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 10, 2025, 03:03:44 PMThree oboes, three clarinets, four horns, and a bass trumpet.
Do they make bass trumpets anymore, or what is swapped in?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

The featurette, "The first Ring for television" is narrated by Twilight Zone veteran Geo. Grizzard ("The Chaser," "In His Image.")
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

AnotherSpin

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 10, 2025, 12:48:05 PMGötterdämmerung Gotta say: I love the color of that  opening chord. [..]

I was reminded of Baudelaire's words on Wagner's music: "...it seemed to me that this music was mine, and I recognized it in the way that any man recognizes the things he is destined to love."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 10, 2025, 04:07:59 PMDo they make bass trumpets anymore, or what is swapped in?

Adler and Piston (great name for someone discussing brass instruments) both say it is in effect a trombone with valves. It is scored for by Wagner, Strauss, and Stravinsky among others.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

San Antone

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on Today at 07:22:48 AMAdler and Piston (great name for someone discussing brass instruments) both say it is in effect a trombone with valves. It is scored for by Wagner, Strauss, and Stravinsky among others.

Valve trombones are common.

Karl Henning

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on Today at 07:22:48 AMAdler and Piston (great name for someone discussing brass instruments) both say it is in effect a trombone with valves. It is scored for by Wagner, Strauss, and Stravinsky among others.
I was thinking tenor trombone.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: San Antone on Today at 07:40:10 AMValve trombones are common.
I think they should exist, if only so that "slide trombone" should not be pointlessly redundant. 😉
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 08, 2025, 09:01:47 AMMy teaching assistantship at Buffalo was the Music History for non-majors, and the professor's prime example for Wagner was the closing scene for Die Walküre, so I've known where this was headed. Now, having seen the whole, I find it magnificent.

I just listened to the whole of Walküre the other day (in the very fine Leinsdorf version with Jon Vickers at his greatest), and while I find much of the second act (at least Wotan's monologue) musically something of a letdown, Act One is practically perfect - the most ardent love music Wagner ever wrote, Tristan nonwithstanding, and Act Three despite some klunky bits is pretty good too. ("Boring!" we are told.) All I could think while experiencing that huge four-hour time span was, "My God, that man could compose!" One does not have to be a Wagner fanatic to appreciate what he achieved in this and the other Ring operas.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on Today at 09:10:19 AMI just listened to the whole of Walküre the other day (in the very fine Leinsdorf version with Jon Vickers at his greatest), and while I find much of the second act (at least Wotan's monologue) musically something of a letdown, Act One is practically perfect - the most ardent love music Wagner ever wrote, Tristan nonwithstanding, and Act Three despite some klunky bits is pretty good too. ("Boring!" we are told.) All I could think while experiencing that huge four-hour time span was, "My God, that man could compose!" One does not have to be a Wagner fanatic to appreciate what he achieved in this and the other Ring operas.
Indeed.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on Today at 09:10:19 AMI just listened to the whole of Walküre the other day (in the very fine Leinsdorf version with Jon Vickers at his greatest), and while I find much of the second act (at least Wotan's monologue) musically something of a letdown, Act One is practically perfect - the most ardent love music Wagner ever wrote, Tristan nonwithstanding, and Act Three despite some klunky bits is pretty good too. ("Boring!" we are told.) All I could think while experiencing that huge four-hour time span was, "My God, that man could compose!" One does not have to be a Wagner fanatic to appreciate what he achieved in this and the other Ring operas.
Well, and this was the risk I walked into with open eyes: my scoffing days are done. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

San Antone

Quote from: Karl Henning on Today at 07:53:27 AMI think they should exist, if only so that "slide trombone" should not be pointlessly redundant. 😉

There are several, but one famous jazz musician who made a career playing one:

Robert Edward "Bob" Brookmeyer (December 19, 1929 – December 15, 2011) was an American jazz valve trombonist, pianist, arranger, and composer.


Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 10, 2025, 12:48:05 PMGötterdämmerung Gotta say: I love the color of that  opening chord. I'm really just starting it. I've got a Henning Ensemble rehearsal at 6:30 and then my Utah première at 9:30.
It's long enough since I did any reading about Der Ring, that I'd clean forgot Gunther, Hagen and Gutrune, so the freshness of this episode is an added bonus.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot