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San Antone:

--- Quote from: Brewski on March 25, 2015, 11:20:33 AM ---Though I am not familiar with many Lamentations settings, the Krenek is an austere, fantastic piece. I've been lucky to hear it live - which may never happen again, since it's extremely difficult to perform.

Will be interested in comments on works by other composers.

--Bruce

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Interesting that the two composers we've focused on so far have been Stravinsky and Krenek. 

When Stravinsky was looking around for information about serial/12-tone composing, one source he used more than others was Krenek's little book, Studies in Counterpoint.  Stravinsky was impressed with a technique Krenek used (mainly in the Lamentations) of rotating a the two hexachords of a series (61,52,43) and transposing the starting note to the same pitch degree.

For example if the first six notes of the series were C-D-E-F-G-A, the rotations would be

a-c-g-d-f-e
e-a-f-c-d-g
g-e-d-a-c-f
f-g-c-e-a-d
d-f-a-g-e-c

Bringing us back to where we started with
c-d-e-f-g-a

I am not sure if Stravinsky used this kind of thing in Threni, but he was influenced by Krenek's work, which was published shortly before Threni was begun.

San Antone:

--- Quote from: JCBuckley on March 25, 2015, 11:48:25 AM ---I strongly recommend this:

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I have recently been listening to this one:



Which is very fine, but I haven't heard the one you suggested.  It would be nice to find it though.

San Antone:

--- Quote from: Draško on March 25, 2015, 11:56:02 AM ---Lecons de tenebres, Holly Week settings of Lamentationes of Jeremiah, were very popular in French baroque. Most often they were intimate chamber settings for few voices and basso continuo (but still with very virtuosic vocal writing) and best known (rightly) are by Delalande, Francois Couperin and Charpentier. There is one other I'd like to mention, bit different stylistically set for larger forces (but still intimate sounding), with simpler less florid vocal writing by Jean Gilles. Perhaps showing differences in taste and influences between province (Gilles) and capital (others). There was a lovely recording of Gilles by Herve Niquet/Le Concert Spirituel on Accord, not sure if it's still in print.

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I have not heard the Jean Gilles work.  Is this the one you were thinking of?



Over $60.00 at Amazon, so I will remain ignorant of it for the time being.

 ;)

Drasko:

--- Quote from: sanantonio on March 25, 2015, 12:06:49 PM ---I have not heard the Jean Gilles work.  Is this the one you were thinking of?

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That's the one, but there is later re-issue that might be cheaper to find. This one:
http://www.amazon.de/Motets-Saint-Baptiste-Trois-Lamentations/dp/B00004XT1J

Also, Delalande disc JCBuckley mentioned exist as readily available reissue:
http://www.amazon.com/Lecons-Tenebres-M-Lalande/dp/B000NQDE86

San Antone:

--- Quote from: Draško on March 25, 2015, 12:15:13 PM ---That's the one, but there is later re-issue that might be cheaper to find. This one:
http://www.amazon.de/Motets-Saint-Baptiste-Trois-Lamentations/dp/B00004XT1J

Also, Delalande disc JCBuckley mentioned exist as readily available reissue:
http://www.amazon.com/Lecons-Tenebres-M-Lalande/dp/B000NQDE86

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Thanks!

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