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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2015, 04:57:00 AM »
I may just possibly have a recording of our performance of Pueri Hebræorum . . . but I do not remember it being especially presentable . . . .
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2015, 05:01:20 AM »
Oh!  It's from the Ensemble Plus Ultra box:



That is a great box.  My only complaint is the omission of the Requiem.  I have been enjoying this recent recording which couples the Victoria with Gesualdo.   Tenebrae is a good ensemble.


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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2015, 05:11:22 AM »
That is a great box.  My only complaint is the omission of the Requiem.

Is the Requiem distinct from the Missa pro defunctis on disc 1?
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2015, 05:20:19 AM »
Is the Requiem distinct from the Missa pro defunctis on disc 1?

He wrote two.  The one in this box is the earlier one for 4 voices from 1583.  Officium Defunctorum for 6 voices was written in 1603 and the one most people consider his best work.

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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2015, 05:21:27 AM »
Thanks for the enlightenment.
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2015, 05:46:48 AM »
Thanks for the enlightenment.
+1, must investigate. Off to parents for Easter holidays now though, so I'll stick to Richafort and Herreweghe's Bach cantatas for now, among other things
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 11:58:03 AM »
Morales: Office des Ténèbres



Doulce Memorie is an excellent early music ensemble, and this recording is highly recommended.  Cristóbal de Morales (c. 1500 –  1553) was a Spanish composer of the Renaissance. He is generally considered to be the most influential Spanish composer before Victoria.

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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2015, 12:52:34 PM »
Currently listening to Nicolo Jommelli's Lamentazioni per il Mercoledi Santo....





....this comes with a high recommendation for both content and performance.
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2015, 08:31:52 AM »
F. Couperin: Lecons de Ténébres....


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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2015, 11:35:07 AM »
Delalande: Trois Lecons de Tenebres....





This is a stunning work and I can only endorse the high recommendation from JCBuckley earlier.
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2015, 11:53:19 AM »
Delalande: Trois Lecons de Tenebres....





This is a stunning work and I can only endorse the high recommendation from JCBuckley earlier.

thanks in general for your several posts - very good info.  The De Lalande Tenebres is excellent.  I know it from this recording:


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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2015, 11:56:39 AM »
thanks in general for your several posts - very good info.  The De Lalande Tenebres is excellent....


You are most welcome. This is a very good idea for a thread.
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2015, 12:41:06 PM »
Zelenka: The Lamentations of Jeremiah....






....Lamentations for Maundy Thursday.
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2015, 04:04:24 AM »
Gesualdo: Tenebrae Responsories for Good Friday....


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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2015, 04:20:11 AM »
Victoria: Tenebrae Responsories [performed by The Sixteen]....





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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2017, 12:55:41 AM »
This would be a worthy adition to any collection of lamentations:



Another winner by the Egidius Kwartet as far as I'm concerned. But I've become somewhat of a fan of this Dutch group.... :)
Half of the disc is filled with Lassus, the other half by (other) Franco-Flemish composers  Alexander Agricola and Jacob Arcadelt. The single piece of four minutes by Christobal de Morales is the odd one out.I would have preferred a complete recording of the Lassus, since performances are exemplary, and another full disc with lesser known composers.
But with performances of this quality we can't complain.  :) And who knows, perhaps the Egidius will do a complete Lassus in the future.

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2008/May08/Lamentatio_ktc1343.htm

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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2017, 01:27:23 AM »
This would be a worthy adition to any collection of lamentations:



Another winner by the Egidius Kwartet as far as I'm concerned. But I've become somewhat of a fan of this Dutch group.... :)
Half of the disc is filled with Lassus, the other half by (other) Franco-Flemish composers  Alexander Agricola and Jacob Arcadelt. The single piece of four minutes by Christobal de Morales is the odd one out.I would have preferred a complete recording of the Lassus, since performances are exemplary, and another full disc with lesser known composers.
But with performances of this quality we can't complain.  :) And who knows, perhaps the Egidius will do a complete Lassus in the future.

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2008/May08/Lamentatio_ktc1343.htm

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Listening to it now - wonderful.  Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Lamentations
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2017, 01:59:28 AM »
Top choice for the Tenebrae Responsories is Victoria in the recording from Westminster Cathedral Choir directed by David Hill. I have a set from La Colombina and Schola Antiqua of the Victoria's Officium Hebdomadae Sacrae complete; this has the music for Palm Sunday, the Responsories and Lamentations, including those set as plainsong, antiphons and other prayers - it is an interesting set but not as directly involving as the polyphonic Responsories or Lamentations by themselves.

I have so many sets of Lamentations that I find it hard to make a choice though I probably listen to Tallis most often.

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Ok this Tread real serious, I'm not fooling around , Laments are one of my favorite vocal music genre so far.

So here a list of what I consider the utter best Lamentations release before and after , Mandryka my old friend I miss you buddy please collaborated you're always welcome of my post  8)

Who a devoted fan of this particular genre, the Laments, I tell you what , perhaps Lamentations and Motets I am a wash up fan boy I like them all, here are gems of this  type of music CD album wise and LP trust me you need these if you enjoy laments, please buy these release has they are outstanding!!!
LP- Lassus Lamentations of Jeremiah concert hall society this is my oldest vinyl, and a very special sacred Holy grail that also featured work on b-side of Josquin this release is timeless, you don't know how much I like  this chunk-o vinyl, it's incredible well master for it's era mine like mint, yep trust me this LP is money in the banks.

LP- Roland De Lassus  Lamentations De Job double LP on Harmonia Mundi trust me this is huge , I tell ya, epic work!!!

LP- Robert White Lamentations (Caliope) I happen to have the Japanese edition worth more, a treasure, Robert White is mezmerising brilliant!!!

Than in CD

-Capella de Minister Morales super Lamentations on a Fancy Spanish label, this is one of the best set of Laments I have heard so far a new release of 2020 and a keeper, you will love this album it's truely blown my mind, I would listen to it often.

But wait there another new release of Morales on Lauda (spanish Label) Lamentabatur Jacob that is just as good as the afford mention Morales Releases, you need both, in all honesty!!!!!

Jachet de Mantoue, Lamentations de Jéremie on Caliope now Bayard disques, this is so awesome it defy my expectation of the term surreal, mere word even of shakespeare vocabulary  does not render justice to this fantastic album it's just that great Jachet the Mantoue ensemble is a force of nature to reckon whit! but there gone  :'(

Than there is another new release fairly new last year Francisco de  Penalosa by the ravishing smart ensemble new york polyphony one of the newer ensemble but so darn talented this ensemble does wonder.

Palestrina's lamentation of Jacob by pro Cantiones Antiqua Brilliant Classical, has done a box-set, sensational & magical of this  composer the CD sleeves or fabulous the album are to die for.

Lamentations From renaissance by the might  & splendor of Paul van Nevel (love you sir Nevel you're such a skillful master (one of the sharpest knife in the drawer).

Lamentations by the one of my top 10 ensemble if not top 5 Nordic Voice featured the essence of Lamentations from Gesualdo, White, Palestrina, Victoria, you need this album, run to you're nearest CD store or distro and order this because this is RAD in caps lock...

Newbies this is so far my best Lamentations releases ever!!!! king of king's release.

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