Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[San Antone]

You go on whitewashing this as "ungentlemanly."

You go on ignoring Clinton's reckless behavior which potentially compromised US security as you attempt to muddy the waters with allegations of sexual impropriety by Donald Trump.

[BasilValentine]

No, you're right, it is a matter of distraction.

It is a matter of the abuse of power. Trump's current proposals include: jailing political opponents, torturing terror suspects, killing the families of terrorists (a war crime), condoning the proliferation of nuclear weapons, instituting a religious test for immigration, and healing the racial divide through stop and frisk (ruled unconstitutional). All of these are illegal or unconstitutional abuses of power. That is why a propensity for such abuse is damning.

[Parsifal]

Her lies about the server are bad, but not the entire issue.  For me, it is how the security of the US was compromised by her "mistake" of using a private unsecured server for storing and transmitting confidential government documents.  Wikileaking of the documents shows just how easy it was for foreign actors to gain access to this supposedly secret information. 

Contrary to you, I see this as more troubling for a presidential candidate than Trump's ungentlemanly actions.

The irony is that despite her doing everything humanly possible to destroy the emails, they still found their way to other systems and are slowly being released.

You have made two claims here which are at variance with the FBI report.

Her "missing" emails were not leaked by Wikileaks, they were found by the FBI by exhaustively searching the email accounts of the people she traded emails with.

The FBI report said there was no evidence of deliberately concealing emails, only that her lawyers failed to correctly identify some work-related emails in their screening process, and that some emails were lost when technicians failed to keep copies when the server was updated.

[snyprrr]

You have made two claims here which are at variance with the FBI report.

Her "missing" emails were not leaked by Wikileaks, they were found by the FBI by exhaustively searching the email accounts of the people she traded emails with.

The FBI report said there was no evidence of deliberately concealing emails, only that her lawyers failed to correctly identify some work-related emails in their screening process, and that some emails were lost when technicians failed to keep copies when the server was updated.

Bleedin' obvious she would have been finished politically if she dumped Billy-boy. Divorce doesn't have the same censure it did decades ago. Instead, she would have been applauded to have freed herself from the jerk. Actually, doing just that would have earned some respect from me.

Meanwhile here's a goggle of the present Veep. If that had been me at 3:40 I would have bitten his hand:

https://www.youtube.com/v/6IL5u5U39Qo

For Brutus is an honourable man...So are they all, all honourable men...

Biden clips are disturbing


I do notice that no one has Posted any viddy type stuff here (except you here). It's all a bunch of ... no one can state Hillary's Greatest Achievement as Secretary of State... no one can produce her list of Great Achievements...


No one has yet brought up those pesky Diebold machines, and who actually counts the ... errrr... "votes"...

We truly live in la-la land when the person who brings up the electronic voting booth fraud possibilities will probably be the one who is called names.


And yes, - in those Project Veritas vids, he says that "bird doggin"- getting an idiot to go incite an idiot on the other side- is a great technique, and yes, for some reason I always take every keystroke with deathly seriousness and aaalways forget that someone could just be trolling, or distracting, or whatever. I'm not even in the argument and yet I get my dungs in a bunch-

I love convincing people, but, lol, I'm really bad at it!!

Of course, when i rant about some obscure Composer, most will always research a little and then come back and say, Good show old chap (meaning, you overlook any personality flaws and check it out just in case). In THIS, Political, case, however,  I fear that NO VIDEO will ever be watched by the "other side" (in this odd two-sided situation). Hilldawg has already been given the Pass of the Centuries because of the perceived Bigotry of Western Power Structures (re: Christianity in its classic "other" guise).


zb- you may be a woman, which of course drives them nuts that you don't tow the Party line. Buuut, now that you're "with that man", apparently your woman card gets revoked and now you'll be treated the same as Bill's documented victims. LOL, it's the trotsky icepick for you, oy vey- ... I would be more afraid to be a woman under Hitllery- Strong Cities-

I feel for ya


btw- keep the viddy coming. It's always fun to watch




"For me, the moment came when I saw Hillary's toes dragging when they were helping her into the van at the 9/11 event. I literally saw an unconscious, with toes dragging and feet plopping on the street and bouncing like some lifeless thing. And this is where we were at?"

[snyprrr]

You go on ignoring Clinton's reckless behavior which potentially compromised US security as you attempt to muddy the waters with allegations of sexual impropriety by Donald Trump.

[snyprrr]

inquiring minds want to know

[San Antone]

You have made two claims here which are at variance with the FBI report.

Her "missing" emails were not leaked by Wikileaks, they were found by the FBI by exhaustively searching the email accounts of the people she traded emails with.

The FBI report said there was no evidence of deliberately concealing emails, only that her lawyers failed to correctly identify some work-related emails in their screening process, and that some emails were lost when technicians failed to keep copies when the server was updated.

Comey: "we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal e-mail account."

Comey: "We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. "

Comey: "there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information"

I think these are damning allegations for someone seeking the highest office in the country.

[North Star]

The Kid Who Ran for President

https://www.youtube.com/v/TBc1JBwH-NA

[Brian]

I think these are damning allegations for someone seeking the highest office in the country.

I think so too. Unfortunately, I still think that when you consider everything about everybody, the stuff against Hillary is the 4th-most damning. Only McMullin is better (but he disagrees with many of my views).

[Karl Henning]

I think so too. Unfortunately, I still think that when you consider everything about everybody, the stuff against Hillary is the 4th-most damning.

+ 1

[Karl Henning]

Biden clips are disturbing

All right:  who pranked snypsss?  It isn't as if he knows that Biden is not running for any office this year.

[Parsifal]

Comey: "We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. "

It was "readily apparent to her correspondents," presumably such as the CIA chief, the joint chiefs, the national security advisor, yet they did not instruct her to discontinue the practice or discontinue sending emails to her. Maybe they figured that on her private server the next Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden would not get to them.

[Brian]

I think so too. Unfortunately, I still think that when you consider everything about everybody, the stuff against Hillary is the 4th-most damning. Only McMullin is better (but he disagrees with many of my views).

fwiw my ranking

5. generally inexperienced in leadership
4. recklessly handled classified information; lied to cover up that mishandling
3. generally inexperienced in leadership; policy proposals are frivolous, impossible, and insulting; promotes conspiracy theories; distrusts policy experts; exhibits general inability to govern
2. exhibits complete ignorance of world, world leaders, and world affairs; exhibits general inability to govern
1. generally inexperienced in leadership; policy proposals are frivolous, impossible, and insulting; promotes conspiracy theories; distrusts policy experts; exhibits complete ignorance of world, world leaders, and world affairs; exhibits general inability to govern; exhibits no understanding of Constitution or protected freedoms; vows to restrict free speech and free movement; regularly commits sexual assault; racist; sexist; operates fraudulent "charity" as money laundering scheme; solicited donations to "charity" to pay for personal expenses; lies so serially as to undermine the very existence of truth as a philosophical concept

[Madiel]

Comey: "We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. "

I think these are damning allegations for someone seeking the highest office in the country.

I don't think this particular "allegation" means quite what you think it means. At most it means that hostile actors might have found out Clinton's e-mail address by hacking the accounts of other people. If she was using a government account, they would have found out her government e-mail address by hacking the accounts of other people.

So unless you think there has to be a rule that not only that government officials must have secure government accounts, but that everyone that exchanges messages with a government official must also have a secure government account, this particular "allegation" isn't remotely damning. It's simply a description by Comey of the route taken.

[San Antone]

I think so too. Unfortunately, I still think that when you consider everything about everybody, the stuff against Hillary is the 4th-most damning. Only McMullin is better (but he disagrees with many of my views).

That's why we are voting for different candidates.  If Hillary wins, let's have a drink in 4 or 8 years and see if you still think the same.

[Madiel]

At least if Hillary wins, the bar will still exist.

[drogulus]

     Trump campaign chief Steve Bannon is registered voter at vacant Florida home

     Donald Trump's campaign manager said she doesn't believe there will be voter fraud

     Kelleyanne is on the case!

"It is a rigged, corrupt system, whether you believe it's rigged and corrupt at the polls or whether you believe it's rigged and corrupt in that we have a $19 trillion debt and people who are there for years and years, if not decades," she added.

     Thanks for that, Kelleyanne, can we go vote now? Is it OK with you and Steve Bannon? My house even has me in it!

     If Trump meant to say the national debt and officeholders there forever is some kind of rigging why didn't he say that? Why did he tell us that the vote would be rigged against him?

     Oh, Biden tells a joke to a young girl, she laughs, he's a molester. I'm sure that's how it works. Steve Bannon has a darker sense of humor than Jokin' Joe, though I'm sure it's all in good fun.

[San Antone]

I don't think this particular "allegation" means quite what you think it means. At most it means that hostile actors might have found out Clinton's e-mail address by hacking the accounts of other people. If she was using a government account, they would have found out her government e-mail address by hacking the accounts of other people.

So unless you think there has to be a rule that not only that government officials must have secure government accounts, but that everyone that exchanges messages with a government official must also have a secure government account, this particular "allegation" isn't remotely damning. It's simply a description by Comey of the route taken.

There are laws restricting the transmission of confidential documents outside of government secured systems.  Clinton should not have been sending emails of a sensitive nature to anyone outside of government, or on an unsecured commercial server.  The fact that she herself was using one is a violation of the statute, Comey says as much.  The question is why he chose not to indict her.

For sure, the FBI and Justice Dept. prosecutors exercise that kind of discretion everyday, but as a former FBI investigator said to Comey, "you had five immunity agreements and got no indictments.  That is not how the FBI I used to work for operated."

[Madiel]

There are laws restricting the transmission of confidential documents outside of government secured systems.  Clinton should not have been sending emails of a sensitive nature to anyone outside of government, or on an unsecured commercial server.  The fact that she herself was using one is a violation of the statute, Comey says as much.  The question is why he chose not to indict her.

For sure, the FBI and Justice Dept. prosecutors exercise that kind of discretion everyday, but as a former FBI investigator said to Comey, "you had five immunity agreements and got no indictments.  That is not how the FBI I used to work for operated."

Let's just say I'm not going over this with you again. There is no point.

[San Antone]

Let's just say I'm not going over this with you again. There is no point.

Comey: "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." 

That statement has been contested by more than one former prosecutor.

Comey: "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

Hillary Clinton is a candidate for the most powerful office in the US.  According to Comey she should have at the very least been downgraded with her security clearance.  Instead she will be overseeing the entire government.

The question is "why?"