Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

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Wakefield

Quote from: Ken B on April 14, 2015, 05:22:39 AM
Seriously Andrei, you think Romanians won the cold war alone?  ::)

From the lovely comedy A Fish Called Wanda (1988).

BTW, Otto's character is a jerk, brilliantly personified by Kevin Kline:

QuoteOtto: Don't call me stupid.

Wendy: Why on earth not?

Otto: Oh, you English are "so" superior, aren't you? Well, would you like to know what you'd be without us, the good ol' U.S. of A. to protect you? I'll tell you. The smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire, that's what! So don't call me stupid, lady. Just thank me.

Wendy: Well, "thank" you for popping in and protecting us.

Otto: If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking "German!" Singing "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles..."

Was Otto totally wrong?

:D

"Isn't it funny? The truth just sounds different."
- Almost Famous (2000)

Karl Henning

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
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Todd

Quote from: Jo498 on April 14, 2015, 05:53:12 AMSo she has been rather more involved in such things than most academic philosophers in recent times.



I wrote retail politics - ie, stumping for votes.  Eggheads are usually reserved for policy and advisory roles. 
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

Not yet candidate Chris Christie takes on Social Security and Medicare.  His proposals are mainstream, and means-testing for Social Security is more than appropriate.  If he threw in eliminating the maximum taxable earnings limit, he'd be offering permanent solvency.  But did he effectively kill his campaign before it officially started?
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Todd on April 14, 2015, 07:54:33 AM
Not yet candidate Chris Christie takes on Social Security and Medicare.  His proposals are mainstream, and means-testing for Social Security is more than appropriate.  If he threw in eliminating the maximum taxable earnings limit, he'd be offering permanent solvency.  But did he effectively kill his campaign before it officially started?

I like Christie, always have, damn the torpedoes! He does things to appease his own personal convictions, and not because of the political correctness of them. He's aggressive and abrasive, and seems to favor the middle class vs the upper;  IOW, he's f******. Not a prayer. If they can't get him any other way (and they'll try all of them) they'll fall back on the health issues he will inevitably have from being a fat guy.  :blank:

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Karl Henning

It will be interesting to see how he walks back the GW Bridge incident.
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Ken B

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 14, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
I like Christie, always have, damn the torpedoes! He does things to appease his own personal convictions, and not because of the political correctness of them. He's aggressive and abrasive, and seems to favor the middle class vs the upper;  IOW, he's f******. Not a prayer. If they can't get him any other way (and they'll try all of them) they'll fall back on the health issues he will inevitably have from being a fat guy.  :blank:

8)

I mostly agree. I like his bite-me personna, and the fact he's actually pretty middle of the road on most things. despite what morons many say, the GOP picks moderates for its presidential candidates, but I just don't see him winning the nomination. My money is tentatively on Walker.

Todd

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 14, 2015, 08:19:54 AMIf they can't get him any other way (and they'll try all of them) they'll fall back on the health issues he will inevitably have from being a fat guy.


That's already an issue, but would become more of an issue.  I like how he handled it on Letterman (by pulling a donut out of his jacket and taking a bite).  I think he has bigger issues when he campaigns.  He too easily takes political bait when speaking.  He's too New Jersey.  He can't win.



Quote from: karlhenning on April 14, 2015, 08:22:37 AMIt will be interesting to see how he walks back the GW Bridge incident.


He escaped politically, so I doubt it would be a major issue for most voters. 
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

Quote from: MN Dave on April 14, 2015, 08:28:15 AMMay the best dipshit win.



I understand the sentiment, but I would call them pandering weasels before calling any of them dipshits. 
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Jubal Slate

Quote from: Todd on April 14, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
I understand the sentiment, but I would call them pandering weasels before calling any of them dipshits.

That works.

Todd

Quote from: MN Dave on April 14, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
That works.


I also like Paul Tsongas' old characterization of Bill Clinton as a Pander Bear.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Karl Henning

Quote from: sanantonio on April 14, 2015, 08:41:28 AM
Oh sure, compared to Hillary's email-gate - the bridge is the real concern, and I'm sure that's how the media will play it.

::)

I posted earlier about Hilary's credibility problem, or at the least, mentioned that almost half the electorate holds an unfavorable view of her.  And of course, there are reasons.
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Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Florestan

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Karl Henning

Another well-kept secret is that the media are not a monolith . . . but the media who wish, can play up that bugbear  ;)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Your point is well taken.  And I know that we both understand that Fox have their own tendentious blindspots.

I do hope that part of this cycle will be a matter of holding Hilary accountable.
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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on April 14, 2015, 10:47:08 AM
Your point is well taken.  And I know that we both understand that Fox have their own tendentious blindspots.

I do hope that part of this cycle will be a matter of holding Hilary accountable.

All news outlets are tendentious. That's why it's better to read multiple bullshitters sources.

ibanezmonster

Quote from: Ken B on April 14, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
All news outlets are tendentious. That's why it's better to read multiple bullshitters sources.
That's why the only way to find truth is realize that everyone is full of it.  :-X

Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya