Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Pat B]

If Kasich wins Ohio and Rubio wins Florida, then the convention route appears set.  In most states, Trump seems to be hovering around a third of the vote, and in theory it would be easier for native sons to win in such a situation.

Polls show Trump leading in Ohio and by double digits in Florida. Obviously polls are imperfect but I have doubts that he will lose both -- and am starting to think he will get to 1237 delegates.

[knight66]

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Signed: Senna the Soothsayer

[Florestan]

I just took the "I Side With" quiz for this year, and my top 3 results were Sanders (85%), Jill Stein (80%) and Trump (75%). My lowest was Carson at 60%.

If you side with Sanders on 85% of the issues and with Trump on 75% of the issues, then it follows logically that they side with each other on 75% of the issues and it really doesn´t make much of a difference voting for one or the other. 

FWIW, my results: Trump 78%, Sanders 76%, Hillary Clinton 71% and the lowest Ben Carson 60%. 

[Florestan]

Legislation is amended or superseded all the time, every session, at every level of government, at least in the US.

Yes, there is the same legislative frenzy here in Romania as well. It is part of the problem, though, because legislation (ie, inventing "laws", creating them ex nihilo and then endlessly modifying, ammending or repelling them*) is quite different from law itself.

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.

* actually, how something as volatile, changing and unstable as a typical piece of legislation can be called law is beyond me)

[North Star]

I got 98% Hillary, 95% Bernie, Kasich somewhere in the middle, Trump around 5%.

Okay, but what I object to is the principle, not its particular incarnations: the idea that an assembly, be it elected or self-appointed, of only a tiny fraction of the whole people, acting in accordance with all the prejudices and limitations of their time, can legislate for all future generations, which are bound to act, albeit losely, within the limits set by the said assembly and as interpreted by another assembly, much more tinier than the original one and whose composition is heavily influenced by the transient political situation of the country at this or that moment --- and legislate in such a manner as to make any essential change virtually impossible.

Yes, there is the same legislative frenzy here in Romania as well. It is part of the problem, though, because legislation (ie, inventing "laws", creating them ex nihilo and then endlessly modifying, ammending or repelling them*) is quite different from law itself.

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.

* actually, how something as volatile, changing and unstable as a typical piece of legislation can be called law is beyond me)

So which do you want - legislation that changes over time, or one that doesn't?

[Karl Henning]

Hey, I'm starting to notice a Gary Johnson for President surge - start your engines!  It's a pity the man has zero charisma.

I should have said just the same of Donald Short Fingers . . . .

[Florestan]

So which do you want - legislation that changes over time, or one that doesn't?

What I want is no more constitutional / legislative mysticism and superstition. 

Fewer legislation and more law would be nice, too. 

[drogulus]

What I want is no more constitutional / legislative mysticism and superstition. 

Fewer legislation and more law would be nice, too. 

     Law, like money, serves the society whose law/money it is. Let me pervert Hume a little with his "bundle theory". Hume says that an entity is nothing more than the bundle of properties it has, known and unknown as they might be. That is, there is nothing to the proposition that when all the properties are accounted for we get to the "thing" to which they are attached. No, Hume says, any further description would be another property. A thing is the association of the relevant properties and can be nothing else in addition. It's the association that counts as a "thing", all the attachment there can be.

     

[Todd]

Yes, there is the same legislative frenzy here in Romania as well. It is part of the problem, though, because legislation (ie, inventing "laws", creating them ex nihilo and then endlessly modifying, ammending or repelling them*) is quite different from law itself.

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.

* actually, how something as volatile, changing and unstable as a typical piece of legislation can be called law is beyond me)

This post is seriously non-sensical.  Legislation is law. 

[Florestan]

This post is seriously non-sensical.  Legislation is law.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/920

[Todd]

http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/920

One obscure philosopher's work is not a fount of unassailable truth. 

[Florestan]

One obscure philosopher's work is not a fount of unassailable truth.

The fact that you have never heard of him doesn´t automatically make him obscure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Leoni

http://www.brunoleoni.it/

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

If you side with Sanders on 85% of the issues and with Trump on 75% of the issues, then it follows logically that they side with each other on 75% of the issues and it really doesn´t make much of a difference voting for one or the other. 

Also shows that labels don't mean much. In 2012, I Sided With a libertarian and this year I Side With a socialist. But my views have not changed in those 4 years.

[Todd]

The fact that you have never heard of him doesn´t automatically make him obscure.

And because you dwell on him doesn't make him one of the greats.

What is the crib note version of his theory?  What you provided so far is a false distinction between legislation and law, so surely there must be more to creating such a false distinction.

[Florestan]

Also shows that labels don't mean much. In 2012, I Sided With a libertarian and this year I Side With a socialist. But my views have not changed in those 4 years.

That´s kind of paradoxical though, because libertarianism and socialism are mutually exclusive. 

[Florestan]

What is the crib note version of his theory?  What you provided so far is a false distinction between legislation and law, so surely there must be more to creating such a false distinction.

Apparently I am not very good at reducing theories to their crib note version. If you have time and interest you can read the book, it´s a free pdf. All the details of the distinction between law and legislation are there.

[Todd]

That´s kind of paradoxical though, because libertarianism and socialism are mutually exclusive. 

Not to Libertarian Socialists (eg, Chomsky).

[Todd]

Apparently I am not very good at reducing theories to their crib note version. If you have time and interest you can read the book, it´s a free pdf. All the details of the distinction between law and legislation are there.

Right.  I think I'll go ahead and read things focused on practical matters.  Philosophy is too heavy, man.

[snyprrr]

1) Hillary Qlinton: CAREER CRIMINAL, MURDERER, LIAR,

2) Bernie Sanders: Lets the BLM chick bully him off his own stage. Can't wait to see him cave on something important. I seriously question anyone taking a... forgive me... a
                                 Socialist for President of the USA... I mean, it goes against the sheer concept of the Western... it's just un-American.... I don't get you people at all.

3) Trump: ppppphhhhhh.... everyone know who he is for the last 2-4 decades. I just think this dog and pony show is hilarious. Trump scares you? LOL!! Compared to WHAT?

4) Rubio: sorry, he's just a Miami fagboy... poppin lots of those pills lately... manchurian candidate... totally compromised... just waiting to show the pic of him on his knees at
                 the foam party. This guy would seiously do ANYTHING the overlords told him to- attack Iran ex post facto

5) Cruz: ppppppppppppppphhhhhhhhh.... really? Mark Levin... "the modern incarnation" of some super conservative, bank fueled insider (GS wife)... totally on board with the
               current jew-first Christian Theology... not to mention his religious talk  (endtimes) is the typical Hagee inspired... well, again, it's yissyrel first with Cruz, AS WITH
               THE OTHERS

6) Kasich: the mob choice






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[Florestan]

Right.  I think I'll go ahead and read things focused on practical matters.  Philosophy is too heavy, man.

Whatever you say.