Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Todd on June 08, 2016, 01:07:42 PM


I'm not convinced Cruz is materially worse.  That's like saying being crushed to death by four tons of compressed cow dung is better than being crushed to death by five tons of compressed cow dung.

That's a fair comparison. The word 'better' shouldn't show up in your statement in any guise at all, but I'll let it pass...  :D

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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: 28Orot on June 08, 2016, 01:10:33 PM
Cruz in my opinion was a better option then Trump,

You are wrong about that. He is a different option, he is not better than anything. He is my senator, I am quite familiar with him. I wouldn't wish him on the world, not even to get rid of him here.

He was elected here in 2012. If you got 50 people together to try to brainstorm a list of things he has done for Texas, they wouldn't even need a pencil. It is easy to count to zero. >:(

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28Orot

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 08, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
You are wrong about that. He is a different option, he is not better than anything. He is my senator, I am quite familiar with him. I wouldn't wish him on the world, not even to get rid of him here.

He was elected here in 2012. If you got 50 people together to try to brainstorm a list of things he has done for Texas, they wouldn't even need a pencil. It is easy to count to zero. >:(

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Maybe you're rite about him, so I digress.

Brian

Quote from: 28Orot on June 08, 2016, 12:48:22 PM
Oh common...it has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman, where did you get that crazy idea from?
The word "witch" and the mocking her physical appearance.

Todd

Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2016, 01:27:30 PM
The word "witch" and the mocking her physical appearance.


Don't worry, not only can Clinton take it, she will use such attacks or even whiffs of hints of such attacks as proof of the sexism - nay, the waging of the War on Women - of her opponent and the Republican party generally.  She wants people to make such statements. 
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28Orot

Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2016, 01:27:30 PM
The word "witch" and the mocking her physical appearance.

Trust me I would have said the same thing if she was a man. Her gender has absolutely nothing to do with this.
But do I care what you think about it?

No. You want to think its 'sexism' you think what you want, doesn't bother me the least.

Spineur

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Quote from: 28Orot on June 08, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
Je ne peux pas voter pour cette sorcière , et je ne peux pas voter pour ce crétin ...

Just found out that the word moron is both Cretin in Georgian and French, well what do you know...(well in Georgian its Cretini,but close enough)
Crétin peut-être mais surtout extraordinairement vulgaire.
L'éducation a ses vertus même pour un président

28Orot

Quote from: Spineur on June 08, 2016, 01:46:17 PM
Crétin peut-être mais surtout extraordinairement vulgaire.

Well that's what Trump is...

Madiel

Quote from: 28Orot on June 08, 2016, 01:38:31 PM
Trust me I would have said the same thing if she was a man.

When's the last time you saw a man compared to a witch?
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Ken B

Quote from: 28Orot on June 08, 2016, 01:10:33 PM
Cruz in my opinion was a better option then Trump, but unfortunately Trump was Hijacked by the racists and hillbillies of this country...I guess there is something really bad about Trump that they see him as their prophet... By the way that pompous paper waving :Look how much money I have odious press conference got to be one of the worst press conferences in the annals of the media...
F you. The one thing that pisses me off more than anything else in this election is the class prejudice aimed at Trump supporters. Trump is no president, but there is plenty of reason to feel betrayed and put down by the ruling class in America.

Karl Henning

Rage against the political establishment is real, and undeniably justified.

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28Orot

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Quote from: Ken B on June 08, 2016, 03:21:24 PM
F you. The one thing that pisses me off more than anything else in this election is the class prejudice aimed at Trump supporters. Trump is no president, but there is plenty of reason to feel betrayed and put down by the ruling class in America.

I wrote this letter to Ann Coulter, as you know she is a outspoken Trump Supporter. Didn't expect her to reply, but she did to my surprise.
She was one of the first Trump supporters who had jumped in the Trump Band Wagon. Coulter had said what some may interpret (that's including myself), as blatant anti semitism. On two occasions, she called on for the Jews to 'be perfected', that statement was made during an interview with Donny Deutsch, a Jewish TV personality. In that exchange she said that she would like to see Jews to 'be perfected', meaning converted to Christianity. Then in a more recent outburst, she criticized rather distastefully the many questions the GOP candidates were answering about Israel, causing her to barb out: ""How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?"... after which I decided to compose her letter, got a hold of her email and sent her the following: (there's a screenshot of her response to me)


Hello there Ann,

I'm an Orthodox Jew living in NYC. I have been following your articles and comments for a number of years, and I understand your frustration on where America is being led.

Certainly, there is no shortage of people in this country who possess very limited intellect and talent but boast of just the opposite. This country has been going towards the wrong path for too long
and a real change is necessary. We both can dream and imagine a perfect America and World, where all our fears are gone and we are embraced with true understanding, direction and purpose. There are two vital elements here that need to be mentioned.

They are as followed:

Can the world become what we want it to become based on our desires, wishes, and intellect.

Does the world have a plan that was pre planed by the Master Creator.

If we look at the first element we can sit here and discuss just like politicians do what is the best course for this country and world, but given the limitations of human intellect and wisdom we would be speaking from a subjective posture, and each and everyone of us, be it Jew or Gentile, Liberal or Conservative has their own history and prejudices and our opinion are just that, opinions and there is absolutely no guarantee that any of the solutions that would be mentioned could work. That is the awesome limitation of the first element.

The second element is that the world has a direction, a path and a purpose with the culmination of a grand finale. But to find out what is the purpose is the greatest challenge.
For if you ask a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist, what is that direction, you will get radically different answers. So the question is where is the truth? or rather what is The Truth?

About 4000 years ago when the entire world was populated by idol worshippers there stood one man that was strictly separate and different. That man was Abraham the Hebrew. In fact, the word Hebrew besides being known as a language it also has meaning, 'The Hebrew' literally means 'On the other Side'. Thus Abraham was called by his position of being on the other side, believing in the One and only God, diametrically standing in theological opposition from the entire world. We could therefore ask, how can One individual be standing on one side alone while the entire world stands on the other and still be correct?

We clearly see that truth doesn't necessarily stand with the multitudes, it can be perfectly be found even in the mind of one individual. The Great Abraham revealed this truth to the entire world, most of the peoples of the world ignored his message, for they couldn't leave their false gods. He then transmitted his faith and knowledge of God to his son Isaac, and Isaac to his Son Jacob, and Jacob transmitted the faith to his children, the Twelve Tribes of Israel. These 12 tribes, are the progenitors of the Jewish People, the word Jew comes from the name of the Tribe Judah and it means to give thanks, literally the word Jew means 'To give thanks to God'. Even though Jews today are composed of 3 major Tribes, majority from Judah, some from Benjamin and some from the Tribe of Levi, in general all of the Jews are called after the main kingly Tribe of Judah. For example, Mordecai is called 'The Jew' in the Book of Esther even though he belonged to the Tribe of Benjamin.

This transmission of the faith was done in a very careful and meticulous manner, Judaism sprang out from a blood connection, from one single man, one single family, who were extremely spiritually, emotionally and biologically connected. Therefore the faith was and remains extremely pure and whole. Even in the long exile of 2000 years, when the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the world, all of the different Jewish communities returned to Israel with the same exact Torah, with absolutely not even one letter missing or added, or misplaced or misspelled. When there were no phones, or internet or any forms of communications, the Jew from Yemen and the Jew from England had the same exact Holy Book in their hands.

Lets look now at the Christian bible and the Koran. Researches conclude that there exists over 200,000 different versions of the Christian Bible, and the younger religion of Islam produced tens of thousands of different versions. What is striking is that both these religions were the antagonists in history and they were not chased around, massacred or brutalized by the masses, nor exiled from place to place, so they had less headache as they say, but that didn't stop them from creating countless different versions of the same book. Does one need further evidence to prove the human origin of these documents?

Furthermore, the God of Israel writes a number of times in the Hebrew Bible in the clearest possible terms, in fact, I don't know how he could have been clearer, that he is not a man or human, and has nothing of the physical : Numbers 23:19 " God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good'. He also continues in Samuel 15:29 : "And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent".

One critical fact that you should consider is that its only the Jews that were entrusted by God to screen for Prophets. The Jewish people identified the True Prophets of God, weeded out all false ones. Thus this is the only reason you trust that Jonah, Hosea, Isaiah, Micah, Zephaniah, Jeremiah, Nahum, Habakuk, Ezekiel, Obadiah, Daniel, Haggai, Zachariah,  and Malachi were True Prophets of God, precisely because the Jews screened them out of thousands of false prophets. How do you screen out prophets? do you know? does anyone know? This information was entrusted only and exclusively to the Jews directly by God. So its either you trust the Jews completely and fully or you don't at all, there is no middle-way here. This is a matter of trust and endowment, and only the Jews were endowed by this power and privilege.

You have to understand that for the Jewish people any attribution of physicality to the Almighty is blasphemous and is punishable by capital punishment. God had warned the Jews about it in the Ten Commandments saying : " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments". Exodus 20:4-6

Not only God was crystal clear to say that he is not a man or human in 2 places in the Hebrew Bible, he also said in the Ten Commandments not to attribute any physicality to him, whatever image that exists in the universe or whatever image that a man's imagination can conjure up should never be attributed to him. This is a clear and vital commandment by non other then God himself. So where does the argument even begin?

There is a Talmudic teaching that says: " The deeds of the fathers are a sign to their children', meaning that just as Abraham was the extreme minority that stood on the other side against the extreme majority and the Truth was with him regardless, so too his children the Jewish people, are much fewer in numbers then all of the nations and religions of the world, and the truth rests with us. It was our nation and our people that stood on that great mountain and witnessed God's direct revelation, no one told our people any stories, no one popped out from a cave with no witnesses saying claiming to experience divine revelations. Millions of our people stood at the foot of Sinai, a Grandfather, with his Son, his daughter and his grandchildren. Entire generations stood at the same place experiencing prophecy in a public manner.
And since that day God had promised the Jewish People that no nation from now on all the way to the end of time will experience a public revelation of God like this.

From the 10,000 religions and cults that exist today, it is only Judaism that was founded through a national revelation, while all others, with no exceptions begun with an individual claiming divine revelation with no witnesses, perfectly in tune with God's promise to the Jews that no such national revelation will ever take place.

So ann, the Jews don't need to be 'perfected', they simply need to continue holding on strong to their faith until the coming of the True and Real Jewish Messiah as was prophesied by the Jewish Prophets.
When he will come, he will bring the focus entirely on God, it is God's glory and honor that the Jews are interested in, and no man, angel or Seraphim no matter how great and powerful can carve out any of God's glory, for all belongs to him, he created them all and the honor and glory belongs to him alone.

" Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. " Psalms 85:11, the Truth is now hidden for most of the world, there are so many lies and confusion, so many distortions and falsities, and the truth is hidden underground, but the Sweet Singer of Israel, the King of the Jewish People promises by the word of God, that a day will come that the Truth will reveal itself, and all the darkness the lies will disappear.

Ann, do you want to wait until that day, or can you imagine yourself throwing down the lies and realizing the Truth here and now?

Saul D.

NYC


Her Reply:



My Reply back at her:

Hi Ann, Thank you for your reply,

King Solomon Says : " Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.", even though you might have a totally innocent and non hateful/aggressive intention with your statement, it is always wider to choose correct words to express yourself rather then spend 10 times more time then that explaining what you didn't mean. Ecclesiastes 5:2


The King continues at Proverbs: " 18:21: " The tongue can bring death or life; those who love to talk will reap the consequences". And in the classic book of ethics :" The Ethics of our fathers", written about 2200 years ago by the Talmudic Giants of the Jewish people it says: " Shimon his son said: All my life I have been raised among the Sages, and I have not found anything better for the body than silence. It is not the theory that is the primary thing but action. Whoever talks excessively brings about sin.

So Ann, I know trust me I know that you have good intentions and you want to bring about a positive change to America and the world, but there is a rite way to do it and then there is a wrong way to do it. There is no need to make sweeping statements, generalizations, sometimes we feel an urge to say something it just stays on our belly we want to blob it out so urgently, but its always better and wiser to choose our words carefully as it says : " The softly spoken words of the wise are to be heard rather than the shouts of a ruler of fools. Ecclesiastes 9:17,

You know King Solomon had left us a real treasure, God says that Salomon was the wisest man ever. Its one thing if you get someone important say a good word or two about you, and its one thing to have the president to vouch for you, but when you have the God of the universe say that this man Solomon is the smartest man ever, then its up to those of us that value wisdom and intellect to heed and learn from.

I think you will be much successful in your goals if you will be less controversial and speak out your message with grace, let the content of your message stand on its own merit, if its the truth it will survive, if its not, no matter how many vilifications or distortions it will stand on it will in the end wither, for a lie a no legs and the truth is rock solid. Some biblical, talmudic and Kabbalah sources for this are  :

"In the midst of My house shall not dwell a practitioner of deceit; one who tells lies shall not be established before My eyes (Psalms 101:7)." "Lips of falsehood are an abomination to God... (Proverbs 12:22)." "He who tells a lie is considered as an idolator (Sanhedrin 92a Talmud)." "Woe to people who allow false words to escape their mouths; it would have been better had they not come into this world (Zohar, classic book of Kabbalah)." "The remnant of Israel will not commit corruption, they will not speak falsehood, and a deceitful tongue will not be found in their mouth... (Zephaniah 3:13)."

So even though Ann, you had no negative intentions with the 'perfected' statement, still more sensitivity and responsibility is needed, cause before the words leave your mouth you're are the boss of those words, once they exist, the words themselves take an independent dimension and then they can rule over you, driving you crazy trying to explain to everyone countless of times what you 'didn't mean'.

As for the new controversy with regards to the latest GOP so called 'pandering to Jewish vote' were you mentioned 'those f***ing" Jews, you begun by saying that you believe that I am very smart, thank you for the very nice compliment, now let me offer in the same token that I believe that you're very smart too, and you won't be able to convince me that you didn't know that that statement was offensive.

Ann, its alright we all make mistakes, but its proper and wise to admit it, offer a genuine apology and move on. You won't win too many friends with that, many good people not only Jews were offended by that insensitive tweet, and a mature individual would have offered a swift apology to take care of the problem right there and then instead of let is fester, and I think that you will hopefully make the right decision and offer an unequivocal apology. That will not only cure much of the damage but bring about a greater and better image of yourself to the public. But we were all created with the freedom of choice, and I can't choose for you, that's your decision.

Regards

Saul

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Just to say, that there exists some really really intolerant racist and spiritual racists out there, and many of them support Trump.
The question is why? What do they see in the persona of Trump to sparks their curiosity?
But as I said before, even without this affinity, Trump is simply a terrible candidate, he simply lacks the calmness, personality, and wisdom to head this country into the future.

Karl Henning

There is so very much he lacks.

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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on June 08, 2016, 05:23:03 PM
There is so very much he lacks.

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To be fair, he lacks a history of felonies, which cannot be said of his opponent.


Madiel

I'm heartily sick of the accusations against Clinton, given the numerous reports of how various Republican figures used private email accounts in exactly the same fashion.

It feels like a tactic employed when people can't be arsed dealing with the policy positions. Most of the criticism of Trump I see is about his policies (or lack thereof). Whereas lots of the criticism of Clinton consists of assertions that she's a (non-convicted) criminal.

It's not much more substantial than Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, frankly. It's all about attempting to delegitimise a person, rather than engaging with the substance.

Every single post on the forum is unnecessary. Including the ones that are interesting or useful.

Karl Henning

Quote from: orfeo on June 09, 2016, 03:02:11 AM
I'm heartily sick of the accusations against Clinton, given the numerous reports of how various Republican figures used private email accounts in exactly the same fashion.

It feels like a tactic employed when people can't be arsed dealing with the policy positions. Most of the criticism of Trump I see is about his policies (or lack thereof). Whereas lots of the criticism of Clinton consists of assertions that she's a (non-convicted) criminal.

It's not much more substantial than Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, frankly. It's all about attempting to delegitimise a person, rather than engaging with the substance.

Well, but as the recent Attorney General statement declares, Clinton's "work-around" is not simply equivalent to what Republican predecessors did.

I actually do not see much critique of El Tupé's policy positions, for the simple fact that he has no policy positions.  He just spouts his fool mouth off.  His policy is, "I've got tons of money, so that proves that I can just fix anything."  Most of the critique I read of him is, that he is a narcissistic, vulgar, bullying racist who would be a horrid disgrace to the White House;  and corresponding critique of the G.O.P. establishment for readily lining right up behind him.

Clinton is genuinely a flawed candidate, this is not mere, spiteful invention;  but it has been a season chock-a-block with flawed candidates.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: karlhenning on June 09, 2016, 03:16:22 AM
Most of the critique I read of him is, that he is a narcissistic, vulgar, bullying racist who would be a horrid disgrace to the White House;  and corresponding critique of the G.O.P. establishment for readily lining right up behind him.

Why should that disqualify him?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

No reason at all.  I suppose that, compared to previous G.O.P. nominees, he is to be applauded for not hiding it.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: orfeo on June 09, 2016, 03:02:11 AM
I'm heartily sick of the accusations against Clinton, given the numerous reports of how various Republican figures used private email accounts in exactly the same fashion.

It feels like a tactic employed when people can't be arsed dealing with the policy positions. Most of the criticism of Trump I see is about his policies (or lack thereof). Whereas lots of the criticism of Clinton consists of assertions that she's a (non-convicted) criminal.

It's not much more substantial than Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, frankly. It's all about attempting to delegitimise a person, rather than engaging with the substance.

I'm sure you are heartily sick of it. That tells me more about you than the merits of the case.