Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[(poco) Sforzando]

This looks so delicious.

Oui, d'accord. I hope you'll let me join you as well; I've been thinking of a trip to the middle section and south of France for a while, never having visited anything below the Loire Valley.

[mc ukrneal]

Trump has a lot of work to do: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/map-ought-scare-trump-supporters-192400954.html

[Karl Henning]

Trump has a lot of work to do: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/map-ought-scare-trump-supporters-192400954.html

The electoral map would be a challenge for even the most generally palatable G.O.P. nominee.  For El Tupé, that challenge is yuuuuge.

[Karl Henning]

Evangelical Christians are selling out faith for politics

[(poco) Sforzando]

Trump has a lot of work to do: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/map-ought-scare-trump-supporters-192400954.html

Let us hope he plays a lot of golf.

[snyprrr]

The electoral map would be a challenge for even the most generally palatable G.O.P. nominee.  For El Tupé, that challenge is yuuuuge.

Beef Supreme


I can't believe the... "Progressives" out there can't, in all their academic intellectualism of cerebral acuity, can't actually realize that they created this, they are the creators of the next world, civil, war.  And, by the 'P' word, I mean, both sides of the aisle, as they are ALL "Conservative" with their OWN money.


"We will by no means attack any of the money centers of the world, or any major western tartget, because,... ah,... well,... allah isn't too cool with that..."   ISIS spokesman today

[Ken B]

I'm getting bored with Trump. But this is such an apt metaphor for his candidacy I must link it. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-after-fire-walking-event-at-tony-robbins-seminar/

[Brian]

Oui, d'accord. I hope you'll let me join you as well; I've been thinking of a trip to the middle section and south of France for a while, never having visited anything below the Loire Valley.

I've only been to Paris, Reims, and the Alsace (Strasbourg, Colmar, a couple wine villages). There is much to explore.

[Parsifal]

I've only been to Paris, Reims, and the Alsace (Strasbourg, Colmar, a couple wine villages). There is much to explore.

I was in Montpellier for 48 hours, once. Nice. (Oops, that sounds like a pun, not intended, but I decline to remove it.)

[Pat B]

There's a lot of misinformation about that case too. It did not for instance create the precedent that corporations were persons. That corporations can be treated in law as fictitious persons is a doctrine of long standing. And a good one; it allows them to be sued for instance, and held liable for damages. There is a good analysis of this aspect of the case by Eugene Volokh if anyone cares to google. CU ruled that persons do not automatically lose their rights when they act through a corporation. They havespeech rights as persons and do not automatically forfeit them.
It should be remembered that this includes non-profits, unions, and advocacy groups created (as corporations) specifically to allow persons to co-ordinate their speech.

Incorporation is a legal construct. Corporations have whatever rights and restrictions the law says they do. They are not simply surrogates for their owners. For example, corporations serve to (usually) shield their owners from liability.

When a person forms (or buys into) a corporation, he chooses to accept the benefits and limitations of doing so.

Most laws do not distinguish between corporations and citizens but the constitution does not forbid such a distinction.

[Que]

Goodness, guys! 

I just checked when these presidential elections would actually take place....NOVEMBER?

You have to stomac a circus like this every 4 years for nearly a year? That's not democracy, that is institutionalized torture....
(It seems also highly disruptive....it is a miracle that anything gets done in the US legislature. ...)

Since I already know the finalists,  I'm going to leave you to it..... wake me up for the results in November.

[(poco) Sforzando]

....it is a miracle that anyting gets done in the US legislature. ...)

[Karl Henning]

....it is a miracle unexpected that anything gets done in the US legislature....

FTFY          

[(poco) Sforzando]

it is expected that nothing gets done in the US legislature. ...)

Better . . . .

[Karl Henning]

Incorporation is a legal construct. Corporations have whatever rights and restrictions the law says they do. They are not simply surrogates for their owners. For example, corporations serve to (usually) shield their owners from liability.

Hence the formation LLC = limited liability company.

[Ken B]

Incorporation is a legal construct. Corporations have whatever rights and restrictions the law says they do.

Not quite. What constitutional law says they do. But laws on legal constructs affect the persons involved and so the constitution can impinge. Marriage is also a legal construct but the constitution touches on that. To get extreme, slavery is a legal construct. So the argument "it's a legal construct " is insufficient by itself. You must deal with the question whether the law is constitutional in its restrictions. Some are. The court has ruled for instance that corporations may not invoke the 5th amendment.

[kishnevi]

Goodness, guys! 

I just checked when these presidential elections would actually take place....NOVEMBER?

You have to stomac a circus like this every 4 years for nearly a year? That's not democracy, that is institutionalized torture....
(It seems also highly disruptive....it is a miracle that anything gets done in the US legislature. ...)

Since I already know the finalists,  I'm going to leave you to it..... wake me up for the results in November.

Oh, Que, it gets better than that.
The current flock of candidates began campaigning officially since (some of them) Jan 2015. Unofficially even longer. It is probably fair to say Hillary has been campaigning since the 2000 election was decided in favor of Bush .

The campaign to impeach Hillary will probably be in gear within one week of her election, and campaigns for the Congressional elections in 2018 will start even as both parties regroup and adjust to the results of this year's election.

Thanks to cable news politics never really pauses here.

[Pat B]

Not quite. What constitutional law says they do. But laws on legal constructs affect the persons involved and so the constitution can impinge. Marriage is also a legal construct but the constitution touches on that. To get extreme, slavery is a legal construct. So the argument "it's a legal construct " is insufficient by itself. You must deal with the question whether the law is constitutional in its restrictions. Some are. The court has ruled for instance that corporations may not invoke the 5th amendment.

Slavery was a legal construct that was explicitly forbidden by the 13th Amendment. Before that, it was atrocious policy that flagrantly violated the principle of "All Men Are Created Equal" -- but that's not in the Constitution.

The issue of marriage was over whether certain people can be excluded from entering into one. If some state were to ban gay people from forming corporations (or rich people from forming corporations), I think that would be found unconstitutional regardless of the judges' standpoint on corporate personhood. (FTR Kennedy's dignity basis in Obergefell doesn't really make sense to me but an equal protection basis would have.)

Needless to say, I agree with your point about the 5th amendment. I have read speculation that a conservative court might overrule that, just as Citizens United overruled Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce. Presumably Scalia's death takes that off the table for a while.

[Ken B]

Slavery was a legal construct that was explicitly forbidden by the 13th Amendment. Before that, it was atrocious policy that flagrantly violated the principle of "All Men Are Created Equal" -- but that's not in the Constitution.

The issue of marriage was over whether certain people can be excluded from entering into one. If some state were to ban gay people from forming corporations (or rich people from forming corporations), I think that would be found unconstitutional regardless of the judges' standpoint on corporate personhood. (FTR Kennedy's dignity basis in Obergefell doesn't really make sense to me but an equal protection basis would have.)

Needless to say, I agree with your point about the 5th amendment. I have read speculation that a conservative court might overrule that, just as Citizens United overruled Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce. Presumably Scalia's death takes that off the table for a while.

My only point Pat is that just citing it's a legal construction does not suffice to dismiss constitutional issues.

[Madiel]

Evangelical Christians have been selling out faith for politics for several decades.