Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[zamyrabyrd]

If you want to make the people who died on 9/11 into individuals, then have the decency to do the same with the many more people murdered each year by other methods.

One has to limit the parameters of a discussion.

It is not just me you don't bother answering. I'm losing count of the number of times you've dismissed the challenges of other forum members as well. Various phrases that tell people not to be so ridiculous, often with exclamation marks at the end. There's a general air of incomprehension that anyone could possibly disagree with you.

I don't accept your insinuations and accusations. If anyone feels "dismissed" by me, I invite them to come forward. I am not that type of person. I also don't stalk the comments of others, as though looking for trouble.

[Madiel]

Oh for heaven's sake. I don't "stalk your comments". I click a link that says "Show new replies to your posts" which indicates when there has been activity on threads that I have previously written on. I've been writing on this thread for months. You're not THAT important.

[snyprrr]

First fact: The photo isn't even a NY Times original but shot by an Associated Press photog, Emilio Morenatti.

Second fact: Right click on the picture to enlarge. Enlarged, the splashes look real; enlarged, the men in the water don't look photoshopped to me. As further proof, I posted a link to the video of the situation It's the same as the  photo, including the splashes, the arm waving. Watch the video!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/29/dramatic-photos-show-refugees-fleeing-libya-being-rescued-at-sea

Watch the video. You can see the men in the water, see the splashing, holding up their arms. I mean, when a person is trying not to drown, splashing and arm waving are by products   Why would anyone need to fake a photo when the situation is clearly real, with video capturing the same event?

Okay, we know you have an agenda. We know you really, really want this to be fake, need this to be fake in order to prove the NY Times is part of the vast conspiracy to inundate your life with people of the wrong color:

Propaganda? A story and pictures of an Italian Navy rescue operation is propaganda? These people don't deserve coverage because, what?...they're the wrong color? from the wrong continent?

Sarge

Video real, pic still PhotoShopped

I have no agenda. The pic IS PhotoShop, no doubt... I see the video, fine... why the NYT had to doctor the pic, idk, but, the pic IS doctored.

That's all.


Yes, blown up, the pic looks even faker, especially that one orange vest superimposed, and one man's raised arm towards the left has that naughty digital crap around his arm... lots of digital crap in that pic.


I SEE THE VIDEO, OK?.... the pic is still doctored, for whatever ...uh...."agenda", idk



ffs




"Only Stalin doctored pics, no one else ever has"




OK, well, i thank all for helping get the pic out, GO HILLARY!!!!








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[(poco) Sforzando]

I have no agenda.

Everybody has an agenda, snyps.

[Sergeant Rock]

Video real, pic still PhotoShopped

I have no agenda. The pic IS PhotoShop, no doubt... I see the video, fine... why the NYT had to doctor the pic, idk, but, the pic IS doctored...blown up, the pic looks even faker, especially that one orange vest superimposed, and one man's raised arm towards the left has that naughty digital crap around his arm... lots of digital crap in that pic.

Of course you have an agenda. All your posts have an agenda.

Since the photo shows the exact situation as the video, and since the photog must have taken dozens of photos of that situation, why would anyone need to doctor that picture? Why, snyprrr do you think anyone would do that since it changes absolutely nothing. Here's a vidcap from the video



How is that vidcap different than your alleged photoshop picture? How would that alleged PS picture change anyone's perception? How does inserting a random dude or two suddenly make the situation a lie and more of a propaganda image? Why go through the edit process when you have dozens of photos of black men in the water already? Your insistence that the NY Times doctored an Italian photog's picture for nefarious purpose by inserting a few more guys into the picture makes no damn sense.

More vidcaps:






Sarge

[André]

The orange vests do stand out. It's a matter of fabric, they being fluo and designed to catch light at all albedo measures (IOW wether it's day or night). I  think that this, combined with modern photo techniques (lately, HD's meaning has moved from high definition to hyper definition), explains that.

Well, that's MY opinion, don't take it as fact  . OTOH just look at what a simple iphone can achieve in terms of definition. Just imagine what a professional photograph can do without altering the subject.

[North Star]

Yes, orange vests will look like that as it's hard to keep the saturation reasonable for them in photographs.

[Turner]

Concerning 9/11, this very detailed reporting on Bush being evacuated and moving around on the AirForce One has just been published:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230

I guess a lot of the stuff is already known to parts of the domestic American public, but for those of us who are less informed in detail, the confusion and lack of efficient communication inside the government and as regards information updates seem startling. Most of it due to the limits of available technology back then, however.

[Herman]

I didn't want to bother to answer you. If what I write is irredeemably stupid then it must be useless to try to argue with me.

You got that one right.

Orfeo isn't making a false equivalency. There's an ideology behind the massive nr of gun deaths in the USA, too.

Second Amandment fundamentalism + financial profit = death.

And FYI IS and Al Quaeda are for profit organisations, too.

[zamyrabyrd]

You got that one right.

Which "one"? What is that quote under your picture again?

Orfeo isn't making a false equivalency.

Strictly speaking, it is a straw man argument. Well, "because you are making a case against murder by terrorism means you can't care about gun related deaths" is 1) untrue and 2) irrelevant.

There's an ideology behind the massive nr of gun deaths in the USA, too.
Second Amandment fundamentalism + financial profit = death.
And FYI IS and Al Quaeda are for profit organisations, too.

Well, I didn't say money has nothing to do with it. Again 1) and 2). The war machine kills even more people. Why don't you look up the Bush family and their involvement in war profiteering for just about a century?

[Karl Henning]

Yes, orange vests will look like that as it's hard to keep the saturation reasonable for them in photographs.

And face it:  the high visibility is the point of that coloration.

And few things have provoked so very hearty a belly-laugh as:

I have no agenda.

[drogulus]

 
     The states with the biggest Obamacare struggles spent years undermining the law

Building viable insurance marketplaces in some of these states always figured to be challenging, as competition was limited before the law was enacted. 

But many of these states made it even more difficult.

Several are among the more than a dozen that imposed additional regulations on people who were supposed to help consumers enroll in health plans.

Proponents of these regulations argued they were trying to protect consumers. "Our biggest fear, of course, is identity theft," Florida Atty. Gen. Pam Bondi told Fox News in 2013.

But consumer advocates, patients groups and others saw the rules as another tactic to weaken the law. Missouri's regulations were so restrictive that they were thrown out by a federal judge, who concluded state leaders were trying to undermine the marketplace.

     In other news:

     

     Pope Francis Hosts Feathered Serpent God As Part Of Deity Exchange Program

     

[snyprrr]

And face it:  the high visibility is the point of that coloration.

And few things have provoked so very hearty a belly-laugh as:

Hillary Buckles Like Building 7 at 9/11 Memorial






Hey, concerning the photo... if you all say it's 100%...uh... kosher ... fine, why can't I just say, OK, "hyper def", fine, I guess you're right then,... though, at least some of you do notice that hyper-def does seem to simulate PhotoShop pretty well.


So, just out of curiosity, what IS @MyAgenda?

I'm sure you all know I think we're beyond the point of no return no matter who gets..."elected"... that the powers that be can make it easy or hard for either one

Everybody has an agenda, snyps.

\
\Please tell me what mine is... I mean, I'm not being cheeky, ...  I think in my heart I just want the truth out,... so, if the pic is 100% real, I have no problem... if it's doctored, I don't have a problem...

I suppose , if we're talking "agenda"... wouldn't it be fair to then say that the NYT itself has an agenda that makes mine look like a trip to the library?



Right, Karl? I HAVE and agenda,... but the NYT doesn't,... oh, I see how that works, thanks for the heads up!!




And, I know, Hillary didn't just collapse like a bag of potatoes...

[snyprrr]

Hillary Collapses Like Sack of Potatoes at 0/11 Memorial


meanwhile...


Trump Sings "Bridge Over Troubled Water" to 9/11 Survivors Whilst Juggling and Riding One-Wheeler

[Turner]

The sudden Hillary Clinton health problems will no doubt be underlined in the promotion of Trump
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/11/reports-hillary-leaves-ground-zero-ceremony.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

[Madiel]

My argument wasn't so much that if one cares about religious terrorism one mustn't care about gun deaths. It was more that obsessing about religious terrorism in the USA shows a lack of a sense of proportion, given the number of people that actually die.

[snyprrr]

The sudden Hillary Clinton health problems will no doubt be underlined in the promotion of Trump
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/11/reports-hillary-leaves-ground-zero-ceremony.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

BUGS BUNNY COULD RUN AGAINST DORIANNE GRAY NOW!!!!!


ALL TRUMP HATE HAS NOW BEEN RENDERED NULL AND VOID. HE IS NO LONGER OF ANY CONSEQUENCE.

[snyprrr]

Meet Theresa Barnwell

[Karl Henning]

So, just out of curiosity, what IS @MyAgenda?

Please tell me what mine is... I mean, I'm not being cheeky, ...

Two words: soy lecithin

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[snyprrr]

     The states with the biggest Obamacare struggles spent years undermining the law

Building viable insurance marketplaces in some of these states always figured to be challenging, as competition was limited before the law was enacted. 

But many of these states made it even more difficult.

Several are among the more than a dozen that imposed additional regulations on people who were supposed to help consumers enroll in health plans.

Proponents of these regulations argued they were trying to protect consumers. "Our biggest fear, of course, is identity theft," Florida Atty. Gen. Pam Bondi told Fox News in 2013.

But consumer advocates, patients groups and others saw the rules as another tactic to weaken the law. Missouri's regulations were so restrictive that they were thrown out by a federal judge, who concluded state leaders were trying to undermine the marketplace.

     In other news:

     

     Pope Francis Hosts Feathered Serpent God As Part Of Deity Exchange Program

   

Hillary Needs Obamacare Baaad!!!

Two words: soy lecithin

OK,... I understand. This is your way of saying I'm right but I'm being a dick. I know, I try to  be nice and this is what happens. I'm sorry. You're sorry. We're all sorry. Group hug. 0:)