Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[zamyrabyrd]

Congratulations. We have reached the point where I truly can't be arsed.

You said it, not me.

[Johnnie Burgess]

This possibility gives rise to speculations about Obama doing something arbitrary, like to preserve "public order".  The normal sequences though would be the Veep, then Speaker of the House. Some presidents became incapacitated towards the ends of terms like Wilson and FDR. There is no rock to hide under these days. It would be funny though to have Bill as the power behind the throne this time with her POA.!
The unpredictability of her illness is the worrying part, but not only that, the treatment and drugs given with side effects (as for her "concussion").

But not if she dies before taking office.  No one knows what would happen that situation.  It has never happened.

[Madiel]

You said it, not me.

I thought you'd be pleased.

[zamyrabyrd]

I thought you'd be pleased.

Nope. I don't get my jollies that way.

[Parsifal]

This possibility gives rise to speculations about Obama doing something arbitrary, like to preserve "public order".  The normal sequences though would be the Veep, then Speaker of the House. Some presidents became incapacitated towards the ends of terms like Wilson and FDR. There is no rock to hide under these days. It would be funny though to have Bill as the power behind the throne this time with her POA.!
The unpredictability of her illness is the worrying part, but not only that, the treatment and drugs given with side effects (as for her "concussion").

My, people's imaginations are working overtime.  There are varieties of pneumonia which are debilitating and require hospitalization, and there are varieties that are much less serious and only require antibiotics and rest. Given that Clinton has been following a heavy schedule and the main manifestation up until now has been a some worrying coughing fits she presumably suffers from a mild variety. The main question in my mind is whether recovery is consistent with running for president.

About succession (in the unlikely event that either candidate should win and die before taking office) it seems obvious that the vice president becomes president. My main concern is what happens if the supreme court is called upon to decide and deadlocks because Congress has declined to consider Obama's nominee for the supreme court vacancy?  The Bush/Gore debacle was bad enough, what will the world think if the U.S. suffers a genuine constitutional crisis in presidential succession?

[Karl Henning]

Again, sarge's photo that he was kind enough to Post, without smart ass comment mind you!!

No, for Sarge is a most admirable gennulmin.

[Karl Henning]

Rudy Guiliani always knew more than the doctors. We all knew that.

[Karl Henning]

Polls show many — even most — Trump supporters really are deeply hostile to Muslims and nonwhites

[San Antone]

Trump voter here.  And, I am not hostile to Muslims and nonwhites. 

Elections are choices, and I would guess that there is never an election in which any candidate is 100% "right" (according to a voter's views) on all the issues.  We always have to vote for someone with whom we disagree on some issues.  But we vote for them because on a few crucial issues (according to our priorities) they are better than the alternative.

For me that issue is which of these to candidates will nominate Supreme Court judges and influence the balance of the court for the next generation. 

Since the election is a binary choice, between Trump and Clinton, for me the choice is obvious: Trump. 

I am voting for Trump not because I support much of what he says, I will choose to vote for him because, as disgusting as he often is, he is still better IMO than Hillary Clinton.

Reminds of that scene in Annie Hall where Woody Allen says life is divided into the horrible and the miserable, with horrible being the slightly better option.

[Karl Henning]

If a poll reveals that 85% (I made that up for an example) of El Tupé hate Muslims, obviously it means that there are supporters who do not hate Muslims. (Or — just to be a bit more complete — who do not wish to communicate the fact that they hate Muslims in that vehicle.)  I appreciate your post, and while I think you are mistaken, I respect your candor.

I am voting for Trump not because I support much of what he says, I will choose to vote for him because, as disgusting as he often is, he is still better IMO than Hillary Clinton.

Why, exactly?

[drogulus]

     I can see how the Supreme Court can be a deciding issue if all else is equal or nearly so. Trump is very far from being qualified to be President, perhaps the least qualified a major party has produced, certainly in my lifetime. He has no identifiable policy, it's all in the last thing he says.

     Is Mrs. Beast a "liar"? In the ordinary political meaning of the word, yes. Is Mr. Trump a liar? That is too generous an appraisal by a mile. He is a total bullshitter. Nothing he says after "good morning" has anything but an accidental resemblance to the truth.

[zamyrabyrd]

Why, exactly?

I can answer that. HRC is endorsed by Planned Parenthood. As a Christian, I cannot accept that.
But not only that, she claims to be for women, yet she harassed Billy Boy's victims.
She has a whole trail of corruption and lying in back of her.
As I said before, and in agreement with sanantonio, as it is a binary choice, I choose the less worse.
Of course, if she is compelled to drop out due to illness (some in the DNC are already considering Biden as a replacement), then this will be a game changer.
Even this creepy fainting due to "overheating and dehydration" is not a characteristic of pneumonia.
And neither is traipsing down Madison Avenue with a smile on her face a couple hours later.
It may be interesting to look up Subcortical Vascular Dementia and see if those symptoms are a better match.
As for Trump supporters "hating Muslims", I think that is totally ridiculous.

[San Antone]

If a poll reveals that 85% (I made that up for an example) of El Tupé hate Muslims, obviously it means that there are supporters who do not hate Muslims. (Or — just to be a bit more complete — who do not wish to communicate the fact that they hate Muslims in that vehicle.)  I appreciate your post, and while I think you are mistaken, I respect your candor.

Why, exactly?

I thought I already said:

For me that issue is which of these to candidates will nominate Supreme Court judges and influence the balance of the court for the next generation.

Plus, I oppose most of the Democratic platform and have voted Republican since 1992 (but don't embrace their social agenda).  That is not to say that I have any faith in either of the major parties (or minor ones, for that matter).  I am cynical about our political process in general, with a very low opinion of all politicians and the larger political class, including journalists (who I consider have become tools of the corporate oligarchy just as much as elected officials).  There is hardly ever a real choice, anyway, except on a few major issues such as the Supreme Court nominations.

Part of my acceptance of Trump is the fact that he is not a professional politician.

I realize this probably places me in the minority on GMG.  So be it.

[zamyrabyrd]

... I oppose most of the Democratic platform and have voted Republican since 1992 (but don't embrace their social agenda).  That is not to say that I have any faith in either of the major parties (or minor ones, for that matter).  I am cynical about our political process in general, with a very low opinion of all politicians and the larger political class, including journalists (who I consider have become tools of the corporate oligarchy just as much as elected officials).  There is hardly ever a real choice, anyway, except on a few major issues such as the Supreme Court nominations.
Part of my acceptance of Trump is the fact that he is not a professional politician.
I realize this probably places me in the minority on GMG.  So be it.

More or less my opinion, too.

[Karl Henning]

Thank you both.

[snyprrr]

Why, exactly?

Why exactly would you support a woman who can't retain consciousness?, a woman whose feet are shown being dragged, toes last, and thrown into a van like a sack of potatoes? A woman who CHARGES parents for a photo-op with their children?

Again, a woman who ATTACKS the women that her husband RAPED.

HER HUSBAND IS A RAPIST AND SHE COVERED FOR HIM BY ATTACKING... WAIT FOR IT... WOMEN.


If she has the power to get Dr.Drew canned for asking just a normal ass question, well, what other powers does she have that we don't know about? And he was right, to boot.


Trump temper? Haven't you heard about Hill's temper?





btw- concerning muslims. I seem to be able to have the ability to get any muslim I meet to start ragging on jews, they can't stand 'em, it seems.

Also, I don't do my "racism" by skin color, I do it by bone structure. The five "races": caucasion, negro, mongolian, malay, and amer-indian.

I certainly don't "love everyone",... or do I? I am very green and naive when I meet people and ALWAYS take people on face value. It's just that most people say typical shit. BUT, there are always exceptions.


White Men Can't Jump

[Florestan]

I am cynical about our political process in general, with a very low opinion of all politicians and the larger political class, including journalists (who I consider have become tools of the corporate oligarchy just as much as elected officials). 

My sentiments exactly with regard to Romania´s politics, politicians and journalists. Small world & great minds etc.

[Karl Henning]

I never see you at the Muslims You Have Visited (Or Want to See) thread, snypsss.

[Parsifal]

She has a whole trail of corruption and lying in back of her.

What do you consider the most significant instance of lying and of corruption?

[Rinaldo]

I am cynical about our political process in general, with a very low opinion of all politicians and the larger political class, including journalists (who I consider have become tools of the corporate oligarchy just as much as elected officials).  There is hardly ever a real choice, anyway, except on a few major issues such as the Supreme Court nominations.

Cynicism, to me, always felt like a cop out. And while I respect your mindset, I'm afraid it's the kind of short-sightedness that has, throughout history, lead to truly terrible outcomes. Trump himself might be a bumbling, fradulent asshole, but as his campaign has shown, he's clearing a very real path to fascism. You might get out scot-free, but folks will suffer under a Trump presidency and they will suffer HARD.

The fact that he's not a professional politician is absolutely irrelevant. If you're cynical about politics, he's your textbook politician: lying, flip-flopping egomaniac with a trail of corruption and shady connections that fits right on Capitol Hill.