LvB: 9th or Missa Solemnis

[San Antone]

I refuse to choose.

[Sergeant Rock]

Tag-team does work best.

Sarge

[North Star]

The Union forced me to vote for the Anthem

[jochanaan]

No "or" here.  "And" is the word.  Missa and the 9th.

[(poco) Sforzando]

The Missa. But the slow movement of the Ninth trumps even that work. Sorry, the Ode to Joy no longer induces much joy in me.

[mszczuj]

Oh yes! 9th! and Missa! and last quartets! and last sonatas!

[Jubal Slate]

Tried the Missa again; still not feeling it. Maybe if someone played it on a piano...

[jochanaan]

Oh yes! 9th! and Missa! and last quartets! and last sonatas!

Yes, indeed!!

Tried the Missa again; still not feeling it. Maybe if someone played it on a piano...

I doubt it.  It needs the orchestra.

[Jubal Slate]

It needs the orchestra.

It needs something.

[jochanaan]

It needs something.

Maybe a good recording.  Which are you listening to?

[Jubal Slate]

Maybe a good recording.  Which are you listening to?

Klemperer--and I had a different one a while back. Hm... Karajan maybe? Bernstein?

I'd be hesitant to try it again.

[jochanaan]

Klemperer--and I had a different one a while back. Hm... Karajan maybe? Bernstein?

I'd be hesitant to try it again.

Maybe a good recent period-instrument or HIP recording.  I've heard good things about the Herreweghe Missa.  Or, for some of the best singing on record, there is the one by Karl Boehm and the Vienna Philharmonic, with Margaret Price, Christa Ludwig, Wiecslaw Ochman (I think), Martti Talvela and the Vienna Singverein.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Maybe a good recent period-instrument or HIP recording.

God, I hope not. I rather like Bernstein with the NYP, or Toscanini. The first one I knew was with Karajan, and I admit when I was 16 I found it dense and impenetrable. Now I find the fugues in the Gloria and Credo thrilling, as well as the "military" interludes in the Agnus Dei.

[Jo498]

I think the Klemperer/EMI is quite transparent, overall very good and unlikely to prevent appreciation of the music. But maybe a more fiery reading like Toscanini or Bernstein/NY would be a fine complement (although Klemp is not particularly slow, except in the in gloria Dei patris).

[mszczuj]

Maybe a good recent period-instrument or HIP recording.

Obviously it should be HIP but I was satisfied only with the Terje Kvam.

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Very good are almost all movements of new Gardiner but as I remember (I have heard it only once) the Credo was a complete disaster. I haven't find any sense at all in old Gardiner. I was not very convinced by both Herreweghe recordings either.

As to non HIP I was rather fond of Masur with Gewanhaus. At least it was much better than Karajan. I didn't managed to listen to Bernstein as I find it simply ridicoulus. I didn't even try Toscanini as I really hate his primitive Beethoven. Klemperer was not bad.

[(poco) Sforzando]

I didn't even try Toscanini as I really hate his primitive Beethoven.

AH, yes. I can hear those jungle drums thudding even now . . .

[mszczuj]

AH, yes. I can hear those jungle drums thudding even now . . .

Nothing like that, just one-dimensional.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Nothing like that, just one-dimensional.

Which you claim not having heard the interpretation. Goodbye.

[Ken B]

Which you claim not having heard the interpretation. Goodbye.

In fairness he means "having heard his primitive OTHER Beethoven", right? So when he says one-dimensional he means that OTHER Beethoven. He did not assert that the Missa was primitive. Just unlikely to please him.
Is this really so unreasonable? I have heard only one bit of Wagner sung by Florence Foster Jenkins.  I don't want to hear her as Isolde.

[Karl Henning]

Oh, but she's a stunner as Isolde!  (I hear . . . .)