Most bombastic composers of the 20th/21st century?

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EigenUser

#80
April 26, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 26, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
*shiver* .... yes...... *still in recovery*


:laugh:
I used to despise Stockhausen until I decided that there was no reason to despise a composer. I enjoy a few things of his, but I'm not too enthusiastic of even these works.

Out of curiosity, what piece?
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Moonfish

#81
April 26, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on April 26, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
:laugh:
I used to despise Stockhausen until I decided that there was no reason to despise a composer. I enjoy a few things of his, but I'm not too enthusiastic of even these works.

Out of curiosity, what piece?

The 'Helicopter Quartet' and "Kontakte"....

"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

Moonfish

#82
April 26, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: James on April 26, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
Live .. or recording?

Recordings. Well, I did watch a "live" sequence of the Helicopter Quartet on YouTube.  I do realize that there is a tremendous amount of works by him and I have barely touched the surface.
"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

Karl Henning

#83
April 26, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on April 26, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
:laugh:
I used to despise Stockhausen until I decided that there was no reason to despise a composer.

Maybe someday James will learn enough to apply that wisdom to Mozart  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

#84
April 26, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
                     Hey YOU!
                                 /



                                   /

Did I just hear a discouraging word about MAHLER's EIGHTH SYMPHONY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Well, stop it!  0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

NJ Joe

#85
April 26, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Unquestionably Freddie Mercury:

https://www.youtube.com/v/EtP7mDt9L7g
"Music can inspire love, religious ecstasy, cathartic release, social bonding, and a glimpse of another dimension. A sense that there is another time, another space and another, better universe."
-David Byrne

Ken B

#86
April 26, 2015, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 26, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
                     Hey YOU!
                                 /



                                   /

Did I just hear a discouraging word about MAHLER's EIGHTH SYMPHONY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Well, stop it!  0:)

I agree! We should not hear ONE WORD of criticism of Mahler's 8th! It merits millions.

EigenUser

#87
April 27, 2015, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 26, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
The 'Helicopter Quartet' [...]
Which begs the question: why?

I would have started with Tierkreis (version for orchestra) or Mantra (two pianos and electronics).
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Purusha

#88
April 27, 2015, 12:31:41 AM
Quote from: Cato on April 26, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
                     Hey YOU!
                                 /



                                   /

Did I just hear a discouraging word about MAHLER's EIGHTH SYMPHONY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Well, stop it!  0:)

The 8th is easier to digest if you just give up on thinking of it as a symphony.

NJ Joe

#89
April 27, 2015, 03:53:45 AM
Quote from: Purusha on April 27, 2015, 12:31:41 AM
The 8th is easier to digest if you just give up on thinking of it as a symphony.

+1

Indeed, this approach is what unlocked many Mahler symphonies for me.
"Music can inspire love, religious ecstasy, cathartic release, social bonding, and a glimpse of another dimension. A sense that there is another time, another space and another, better universe."
-David Byrne

Wanderer

#90
April 27, 2015, 08:19:51 AM
Quote from: Purusha on April 27, 2015, 12:31:41 AM
The 8th is easier to digest if you just give up on thinking of it as a symphony.

It's the obvious thing to do, but it's surprising how many people can't get past the title. If one's having trouble with the work it helps e.g. to approach the first part as a cantata and the second part as the last scene of a Faust opera. Problem solved.

Karl Henning

#91
April 27, 2015, 08:22:16 AM
I think of Part I as "If the Harvard Fight Song Had Been the Setting of a Sacred Text"  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#92
April 27, 2015, 08:22:34 AM
. . . and on that basis, I rather enjoy it.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

San Antone

#93
April 27, 2015, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on April 27, 2015, 08:22:16 AM
I think of Part I as "If the Harvard Fight Song Had Been the Setting of a Sacred Text"  8)

LOL

mszczuj

#94
April 27, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
Mahler 8th is much better than his 2nd and 5th.

Mirror Image

#95
April 27, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on April 27, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
Mahler 8th is much better than his 2nd and 5th.

In your opinion of course. I love the 5th and don't find the 8th superior to it or even the 2nd for that matter.

mszczuj

#96
April 28, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 27, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
In your opinion of course. I love the 5th and don't find the 8th superior to it or even the 2nd for that matter.

In my opinion of course as that was me who wrote it. I find the 2nd movement of the 5th (not very intersting sonata allegro) and the Final of the 2nd (not as rich as long) less perfect than other Mahler works.

Mirror Image

#97
April 28, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on April 28, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
In my opinion of course as that was me who wrote it. I find the 2nd movement of the 5th (not very intersting sonata allegro) and the Final of the 2nd (not as rich as long) less perfect than other Mahler works.

I had to write 'in your opinion' because some people around here take their own opinion as gospel. Oh and I still disagree with you on the 5th, but this will never change.

Ken B

#98
April 28, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 28, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
I had to write 'in your opinion' because some people around here take their own opinion as gospel. Oh and I still disagree with you on the 5th, but this will never change.
In my opinion we should assume people here can recognize opinions.
For the rest there's Bingo.

mszczuj

#99
April 28, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 28, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
Oh and I still disagree with you on the 5th, but this will never change.

You can't be quite sure, may be some day you start to listen to the 8th about 10 or 20 times in the row and discover how magnificent and deep masterpiece it is and that it could be compared only with the 6th, the 7th, the 9th and Das Lied von der Erde?
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