General Election in UK

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vandermolen

The Liberal Democrats have been more-or-less wiped out. Their punishment for going into coalition with the Conservatives and going back on their promise over tuition fees.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Que

Looks like it is going to be a Conservative government.
And therefore a referendum on the membership of the European Union in two years. Which is a good idea IMO - either way the British will have to make up their mind: in or out. I predict they stay in by a small majority,  and hope the UK will quit its half heart heatted attitude towards the EU.

If the UK decides to get out, I predict that will trigger a Scottish cesession.... ::)

Q

vandermolen

Quote from: Que on May 08, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
Looks like it is going to be a Conservative government.
And therefore a referendum on the membership of the European Union in two years. Which is a good idea IMO - either way the British will have to make up their mind: in or out. I predict they stay in by a small majority,  and hope the UK will quit its half heart heatted attitude towards the EU.

If the UK decides to get out, I predict that will trigger a Scottish cesession.... ::)

Q

Very much agree with you here. Although I voted to pull out of the EEC in 1975 or whenever the referendum was I would now want for the UK to stay in the EU but we must not be half-hearted about it.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Wanderer

"For American viewers: The wildlings voted SNP, the South thought Joffrey was doing a great job so want another 5 years. The North remembers."

Jo498

This is great. Looking forward to the Red Wedding...
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Ken B

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Quote from: Que on May 08, 2015, 10:15:10 PM

If the UK decides to get out, I predict that will trigger a Scottish cesession.... ::)

Q

That would be, for an Anglophile, the best of all possible outcomes. Therefore it must be unlikely.  :laugh:

lisa needs braces

I am glad that David Cameron won. I think he is what his country needs.

vandermolen

Quote from: -abe- on May 09, 2015, 11:33:51 AM
I am glad that David Cameron won. I think he is what his country needs.
I didn't vote for him but can understand your viewpoint.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Sean

Too right Soapy

QuoteI expect the political campaigns on all sides for the forthcoming referendum to be every bit as dishonest as those for the election we have just witnessed, leaving the electorate once again with little basis for making a decision other than gut instinct and tribal identity.

I defaced the ballot paper commenting that democracy by popularity isn't meritocracy and instead allows manipulation and subversion by elite groups. Cameron is very obviously a puppet and Milliband a deliberate straw man set up to lose.

Ken B

Quote from: Sean on May 09, 2015, 12:16:39 PM
Too right Soapy

I defaced the ballot paper commenting that democracy by popularity isn't meritocracy and instead allows manipulation and subversion by elite groups. Cameron is very obviously a puppet and Milliband a deliberate straw man set up to lose.

Snyprrr with spelling correction.

lisa needs braces

Quote from: vandermolen on May 09, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
I didn't vote for him but can understand your viewpoint.

I can't help but perceive the conservatives of your country as being equivalent to our more centrist Democrats (like Joe Biden.)

Ken B

Quote from: -abe- on May 09, 2015, 12:36:59 PM
I can't help but perceive the conservatives of your country as being equivalent to our more centrist Democrats (like Joe Biden.)

If we had any of those left. Bill Clinton was the best recent example of one. But that democrat party is no more.  Even Hillary is running away from Bill's legacy and positions. Webb is one I think, but while he could win a general election he can't come close to winning the democrat nomination.

lisa needs braces

Quote from: -abe- on May 09, 2015, 11:33:51 AM
I am glad that David Cameron won. I think he is what his country needs.

Though you guys are welcome to disabuse me of this notion. :)

lisa needs braces

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
If we had any of those left. Bill Clinton was the best recent example of one. But that democrat party is no more.  Even Hillary is running away from Bill's legacy and positions. Webb is one I think, but while he could win a general election he can't come close to winning the democrat nomination.

I have noticed in the last few months that Hilary Clinton has been speaking more and more like Obama, though I'm convinced this is just the result of consultation with her advisers. I'm definitely a fan of Jim Webb and think he is someone we need. I'm concerned about all the billionaires salivating over the prospect of a Clinton or Marco Rubio presidency.

Ken B

Quote from: -abe- on May 09, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
I have noticed in the last few months that Hilary Clinton has been speaking more and more like Obama, though I'm convinced this is just the result of consultation with her advisers. I'm definitely a fan of Jim Webb and think he is someone we need. I'm concerned about all the billionaires salivating over the prospect of a Clinton or Marco Rubio presidency.
if it were still the party of Bill Clinton, Sam Nunn, Joe Lieberman, JFK, I could see being a democrat again. It's the party of Elizabeth Warren, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama so I can't. 
Not that the GOP is the party of Howard Baker or Barry Goldwater anymore either.

snyprrr

Quote from: -abe- on May 09, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
I have noticed in the last few months that Hilary Clinton has been speaking more and more like Obama, though I'm convinced this is just the result of consultation with her advisers. I'm definitely a fan of Jim Webb and think he is someone we need. I'm concerned about all the billionaires salivating over the prospect of a Clinton or Marco Rubio presidency.

Bush/Clinton 2016!!


uh...

or is it Clinton/Bush 2016!! ?? !! ?? !!

vandermolen

The Independent newspaper suggested that what Britain needs is a progressive coalitition of Labour and Liberal Democrats (or what remains of them). I'm inclined to agree that this would be a viable alternative to the Vonservatives and more likely to succeed as a united opposition.


"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Ken B

The SNP is, like Canada's BQ also formed after a failed referendum, a regional blackmail party. The BQ extorted several minority parliaments but crumbled once they lost leverage in a majority one. But will that happen in the uk? I wonder. If Cameron is as Machiavellian as he is said to be by his opponents, he will make sure the SNP succeeds, and thus cripple Labour. We shall see.

(Ever notice how many people see political leaders they don't like both as maciavellian geniuses and as dolts simultaneously?)